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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993 January Planning Commission Minutes� f Y � �:� � �, a} F �' 1, "INDX.93" INDEX 1993 PLANNING CC MMISSLON i'ZNUPFS JANNLVM 7, 1993 RAY RUHRMANN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS & C CMMU IITY SURVEY AREA REALTORS DISCUSSION INTRODUCTION 2010 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DRAFT JANUARY 21, 1993 PUBLIC HEARING SRORELAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE PUBLIC HEARING P%7GRESS LAND C0R ?ANY- DELETE 18% COVERAGE RATIO F=UIRNMENT FEBRUARY 4, 1993 ?:.SLIC HEARING BUSSE FIRST ADDITION PUBLIC HEARING SE101M ND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE (ODNP) JOIL BCTREFC?0RlD UPIIATE ON STORM WATER MANMIENT/ MARY ANN WHITING WEILAPD MANAGEMENT CITIZEN FORUM REQUEST FEBRUARY 21, 1993 PAT LYNCH DNR WETLAND REGULATION AND AUTHORITY STAFF STAFF DRAFT COQ 2010 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHAPTERS RETREAT AGENDA FEBRUARY 25, 1993 SPECIAL WORKSEOP/PUBLIC HEARING MARCH 4, 1993 RANDY DEKENT & VARIANCE MIRE LAMBERT PUBLIC HEARING WESTBURY PONDS PUBLIC HEARING SUBDIVISION AND ZONM G ORDINANCES AMENCKENTS TO WATER MANAGEMENT MARTIN 18, 1993 CHARLES LACY VARIANCE PHIL C ARLSON INDUSTRIAL PARRS STANDARDS APR., 1, 1993 DENNIS SCHWEITEFS VARIANCE LITTLE SIX INC. VARIANCE APR.. 15, 1993 PUBLIC HEARING HIDDEN VIEN PRINA7COOM PLAT STAFF PLANNING DISTRICT NEIGHBORBOOD MEETING CROWN COOD VARIANCE PUBLIC HEARING THE WILDS C MPRNH@iSTVE PLAN AMENMIENT TO THE URBAN SERVICE AIM & LAND USE PLAN MAY 6, 1993 PUBLIC HEARING FOREST OARS PRELIMINARY PRAT PUBLIC HEARING CARDINAL HEIGHTS- REZORM, SCHEWATLC AND PRELIMINARY PLAN AND PRELIMINARF PLAT PUBLIC HEARING AGRICULTURAL zvm PLAN AMEN MU AND ZONING OME AMEN[NIENT MAY 13, 1993 SPECIAL WORKSHOP THE WILDS PUD MAY 20, 1993 DISCUSSION PLANIIIIRG ISTRICT WORKSHOP PUBLIC HEARING - CARDINAL RmGms-mmoxw, 8( wmc AND CONTINUED PRELIMINARY PLAN AM PRELIM UM PLAT JUNE 3, 1993 PUBLIC HEARING ZONING & STJBDIVISION ORDINANCE AMfZTMENf TO AJD TWIN HCMB RNT^ULATIONS PUBLIC HEARING ZONING ORDINANCE AMEtMENT TO ADD LICENSED RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES RE)3. PUBLIC .HEARING ZONING ORDINANCF AMENCMENr TO ADD SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS A CONDITIONAL USE WITHIN THE I -1 SPECIAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT - CONSIDER CU FOR ID VIERLING VARIANCE MIRE BPATPLANID VARIANCE DOUG BIUM91AN JUNE 15, 1993 PUBLIC HEARING INDUSTRIAL STANDARDS FOR BUSINESS OFFICE PARR DISCUSSION TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE PROPOSAL JUNE 17, 1993 NEIGHOYCOOD FIVE HAWKS, SPRING IAKEIWILLOWS DISTRICTS MEETING VARIANCE RICK STEINHOFF PUBLIC HEARING REZONING ORDINANCE AME MENT OTUINUID RE: LICENSED RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES JULY 1, 1993 NEIGHBOHY" CAPNOOD, MARKLEY, AN[) SCUTS DISTRICTS MEETING PUBLIC HEARING THE WILDS - SCHEMATIC PUD, PRELIMINANON PUD, PRELIMINARY PLAT, AND REZaMG VARIANCE PRIOR LAKE MINI STORAGE VARIANCE VALLEY SIGN COMPANY JULY 15, 1993 NEIGHBORHOOD ISLAND VIEW /NORD OCD & MEETING GPAIN70OD/MARrINS0N PUBLIC HEARING BUSINESS OFFICE PAIM SUBDIVISIONIREZONING VARIANCE MINNESOTA VALLEY ELECTRIC CO-OP VARIANCE PRIOR LAKE MINI - STORAGE AUGUST 5, 1993 NEIGHB0N3LOOD NOFM 9010 -PM LAKE- JEFFERS MEETING PUBLIC HEARING WEST EDGE ESTATES P.O.D. AUGUST 19, 1993 NEIGHBORHOOD BOUDIN/OAKLAND, FROST /FASTWOOD, SW MEETING POINTE, AND LAKEFrOU ZONING ORDINANCE STAFF AMENIMEVT SIGN ORDINANCE STAFF WORESHOP VARIANCE WILLIAM KALAL RE "NIZATION OF PLANNING COMMISSION SEPTUABER 2, 1993 VARIANCE GERALD SONNENBERG VARIAN JOHN •' VARIANCE JERFY YOUNG PUBLIC HEARING THE WILDS-R� CONSMIDATING COMMERCIAL INTO THE POD SEPTEMBER 16, 1993 NEIGHBOREC D DISTRICT MEETING VARIANCE VARIANCE OCTOBER 7, 1993 VARIANCE VARIANCE CITY -wn)E CONCLUSION ANDY VALEMANIS GEORGE LAMBROU RICHARD MUELLER OCTOBem 21, 1993 VARIANCE DISCUSSION MINI- SIOPAGE VARIAN APPLICATION F0111AT WMMER 4, lqQ3 CANCELLED/ND AGENDN ITEMS SCHEDULED NMFIMBER 18, 1993 DISCUSSION VARIANCE/HARDSHIP APPLICATION PR ELIMINAR Y I REZOW DECagBER 2, 1993 PUBLIC NEARING PUBLIC HEARING DEEMBER 16, 1993 PUBLIC HEARING PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING N 1•YIIA• RE FOR i1 �•� • PRCPEWY FKK 1-1 TO A-1 RM DEHKbOW AUTO SALES •• Y 8 H I•9ia's L1 I? II A ,I z n` .• .,�. . y ,: 1 ,.., .F : . 1 •. O .. A OONSEM AIUM TRZ ZONING i1 4 PRto ' [a7 "A0107" REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA Thursday, January 7, 1993 7:30 p.m. Call Meeting to Order. a) Review Minutes of Previous Meeting. 7:35 p.m. 1. Kay Kuhlmann will address the Planning Commission to discuss details of the Comprehensive Plan review process and community survey. 8:00 P.M. 2. open discussion with area realtors. 9:00 p.m. 3. Introduction of Draft 2010 comprehensive Plan. - vision 2010 - Existing Land Use Plan - Public Land use Plan other Business a) Review Draft Subdivision Processing Timeframe. b) :schedule- retreat date and topics of discussion. All times stated on the Planning Commission, Agenda, with . the exception of Public Hearings, are approximate way start a few minutes earlier or later than the scheduled time, � . PRI U tiN1 ;, °o PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES JANUARY 7, 1993 The January 7, 1993, Planning Commission Meeting was called to order by Commissioner Roseth at 7:35 P.M. Those present were Commissioners Roseth, Arnold, Greenfield, Loftus, Director of Planning Horst Graser, Assistant City Planner Deb Garross and Acting Secretary Phyllis Knudsen. Commissioner Wuellner was absent. ITEM I - REVIEW MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING MOTION BY LOFTUS, SECOND BY ARNOLD, TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN. Vote taken signified ayes by Loftus, Arnold, Greenfield, Roseth. MOTION CARRIED. ITEM II - KAY KUHLMANN - REVIEW OF JANUARY 4. 1993 CITY COUNCIL Kay Kuhlmann, Acting City Manager, passed on comments by the City Council regarding a memo to the City Council by Horst Graser on his calculations of time and money to do the proposed questionnaire in house and hiring of a consultant. Council has rejected the survey at this time due to cost and time constraints, but liked the neighborhood meeting concept. The Council suggested newspaper or Wavelength articles might be beneficial. Commissioner Roseth thanked Ms.Kuhlmann and opened it up for discussion. Commissioner Loftus suggested we keep working on the questions to get them in readiness for when Council gives the go ahead. Commissioner Greenfield thinks the public feels government is "closed" and likes the neighborhood meeting idea so that the public feels more like they are a part of the planning of the 2010 Comprehensive Plan and that a series of articles in the paper would be a good idea. ITEM III - OPEN DISC WITH AREA REALTORS Approximately 15 area realtors were present to discuss their feelings and the comments of some of their prospective home buyers as to what they find appealing or unappealing about Prior Lake are as follows: APPEALING FEATURES: Lake, Rural areas, Wooded Lots, Meandering Streets and irregular sized lots, Park Systems, Churches. 4629 Dakota St. S.E., Prior lake, Minnesota 55372 / Ph. (612) 4474230 / Fax (612) 4474245 AN EQUAL OWOMUMTY EMPIDYFR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES JANUARY 7, 1993 PAGE 2 UNAPPEALING FEATURE£: Uneasy feeling with the school situation, Limited local business & service enterprises, limited smaller homes for first time buyers, seems there is an aura of unfriendliness. Poor street maintenance. DEVELOPERS COMMENTS: Lot sizes are too big for smaller homes, takes too long to get building inspections which will only get worse when the Ferry Bridge is opersd and the building boom is on. What is Prior Lake doing to try and entice new businesses to town? Need some light industry etc. to increase potential job opportunities for these new families. COMMENTS: Hope meetings such as this can foster a better relationship between Cityy staff and Developers. Feels that this type of open meeting is a step in the right direction. Chairman Roseth closed this portion of the meeting at 10:15 P.M. and called for a short recess. Commissioner Loftus excused himself from the meat ing at 10:15 P.M. Chairman Roseth reconvened the meeting at 10:25 P.M. ITEM IV - INTRODUCTION OF DRAFT 2010 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN Deb Garross and Horst Graser gave a brief introduction of three chapters contained in the 2010 Comprehensive Plan draft: Vision 2010, Existing Land Use and Public Land Use Plan. Discussion followed. MOTION BY GREENFIELD, SECONDED BY ARNOLD Tr ADJOURN THE MEETING. Vote taken signified ayes by MOTION CARRIED. Mestino closed meeting are on file at City Hall. City Planner Horst Graser Arnold, Greenfield, and Roseth. at 11:57 P.M. Tapes of the Acting Recording Secretary Phyllis Knudsen PR) ® �� � y ry2 /V P NNESO "A0.21° REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA Thursday, January 21, 1993 7:30 p.m. Call Meeting to Order. a) Review Minutes of Previous Meeting. 7:35 p.m. 1. Public Hearing for Shoreland Management ordinance. 9:30 p.m. 2. Public Hearing to consider an application by Progress Land Company to delete the is% Coverage Ratio requirement of the Zoning Ordinance for single family and two family dwellings in all residential zoning districts. Other Business a) Discuss retreat date and topics. b) Distribute School District Demographic Report. All times stated on the Planning Commission Agenda, with the exception of Public Hearings, are approximate and may start a few minutes earlier or later than the scheduled time. 4629 Dakota St. S.E., Prior lake, Minnesota 55372 / Ph (612) 4474230 / Fax (612) 4474245 AN EQUAL OPPORIUMfY BVIDYER PLANNING COMMISSION mitiT PES JANUARY 21, 1993 The January 21, 1993 Planning Coma.ission Meeting was called to order by Commissioner Greenfield at 7:35 P.M. and presided over the meeting until Vice Chairman Arnold arrived at 8:15 P.M. Those present were Commissioners Greenfield, Loftus, Wuellner, Arnold, Director of Horst Graser, Ass3.stant City Planner Deb Garross and Acting Secretary Phyllis Knudsen. Commissioner Roseth was absent. ITEM I - REVIEW MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETING MOTION BY LOFTUS, SECOND BY GREENFIELD TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN. Vote taken signified ayes by Greenfield, Loftus. Commissioner Wuellner abstained. Commissioner Arnold, and Roseth were absent. MOTION CARRIED. ITEM II - PUBLIC HEARING FOR SHORELAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE Steve Grittman, representative of Northwest Associated Consultants, Inc., presented the draft of the Shoreland Management Ordinance and went through the different sections and noted changes that are proposed. Commissioner Loftus questions relating to 303 to 253 coverage -also if a structure is damaged to 503 of assessor's value, what Ordinance would take precedence over the rebuilding? Controlled access lots on new developpment would have to conform with new Shoreland Management Guidelines including Homeowners Associations - all existing are grandfathered in. Commissioner Wuellner would like linguagqa changed to accessory structures including structures on skids (fish houses etc.) to conform with all applicable side yard setbacks and maintain minimum distance from high water elevation. Island development must meet various conditions one of which is (g minimum lot size or TWO contiguous side by side lots. (Rote (on last (page for 4629 Dakota St. S.E., Prior Lake, Minnesota 55372 / Ph. (612) 4474234 / Fax (612) 4474245 AN EQUAL OPPOMMY Eb1P[ YVER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES JANUARY 21, 1993 PAGE 2 Any alterations done to shoreland will be regulated to prevent erosion and to preserve aesthetics and protect fish and wildlife habitat. Signage on any business establishment on the lake must conform to well defined standards. Any agricultural use or animal feedlots at time of expansion must meet the new more restrictive ordinance standards. Property supplied by private water for domestic use and /or serviced by private sewage systems, at time of building, zoning or variance permit application, will be required to be brought up to Code as per the Minnesota Department of Health and the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency. Staff would be allowed to decide without going through variance, PUD or CUP process, if all criteria is met in the proposed Shoreland Management Ordinance to determine if a lot could be built on. commissioner Wuellner would like 9.12 Bag on page. 17 of the proposed draft to read. 50 feet or less of lot width,instea& of 79 feet. Also notify adjacent property owners within- 100 , propeaty l by the Planning commissiontifgthereeare anytobjections. be to build or alter heard Discussion of the old and the proposed ordinances followed. Chairman Arnold asked if there was anyone in the audience wishing to comment. Mr. Tom Watkins, 5242 Frost Pt.Cir, Prior Lake, stressed the need to be consistant in the staffs and Commissions handling of the Shoreland Management practices. Chairman Arnold polled the Commissioners to see if they wanted to adopt the new ordinance with the changes talked about this evening, or if they wanted to move to continue until after the changes were made and reviewed. MOTION BY LOFTUS, SECOND BY WUELLNER TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL FEBRUARY 4, 1993. Vote taken signified ayes by Wuellner, Loftus, Greenfield and Arnold. MOTION CARRIED. Chairman Arnold closed _his portion of the meeting at 9:20 P.M. and asked for a short. recess. '..ANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES JANUARY 21, 1993 PAGE 3 chairman Arnold reconvened the meeting at 9:30 P.M. ITEM III - PUBLIC HEARING TO DELETE 18% COVERAGE RATIO Mr. Dale Runkel, Consultant for Progress Land Company, the developer fo Carriage Hills Addition, presented that when plat was approved lots met all requirements for subdivision. The developer requested that the 188 coverage ratio be deleted in all residential districts to accommodate homes that are more in todays market trends. He provided overhead charts of out.ying communities showing their lot sizes vs coverage ratios or lack thereof. The homes that people want to build have a coverage ratio of 198 to 218. The coverage ratio was not discussed during the platting process. The developer hae always intended to construct homes in the $100,000 to $250,000 range. Now that the plan is being implemented as approved the coverage ratio does not correspond to the development concept. Mr. Runke! also demonstrated that the appearance of the development will not be altered due to the requested change in lot coverage. Homes will be built up to the 10' side yard setback lines regardless of the 18% coverage ratio. The difference will be in the depth of the home and resultant. home price. Mr. Horst Graser comments that the coverage ratio is more a tool for water quality management rather -than • to -- restrict -a developer, or a lot. Hearing was opened to the public. Marianne Whiting, 14897 Manitou Rd. N.E., Prior Lake. The Citizens Forum believes that larger houses must be built on larger lots. By deleting the 188 coverage ratio it would have a far more reaching effect creating larger homes on the lake and smaller corridors. We need to increase our standards and not drop them. Thorough review of lot sizes to be done at time of plat development. Tom Watkins, 5242 Frost Pt.Cir, Prior Lake. When the 188 coverage ratio was developed, we were sensitive about economic zoning - partially market driven. 10,000 sq.ft. lot allowed the opportunity for smaller houses as community grew. If house exceeded 188 coverage ratio it would need to be built on larger lot. Carriage Hills is a nice development with its unique topographic features - don't lessen its beauty by allowing larger homes on small lots. Carl Hansen, 4065 Raspberry Ridge Rd., Prior Lake. Reason for moving to area was feeling of openness and its wetland and ponds giving it that rural feeling. Feels the coverage ratio should not be changed for this development. ,-ANNiNG COMMISSION MEETING MI14UTES JANUARY 21, 1993 PAGE 4 Brad Wahl, 14195 Timberglade, Prior Lake. Other communities shown in overhead charts do not have the assets of Prior Lake, i.e. Lake, op-n farm areas, etc. Keep Prior Lake a small rural community. We can't be compared to Burnsville or Bloomington. Chairman Arnold asked the Commissioners for their comments. Discussion followed. Commissioner Greenfield asked Mr. Warren Israelson why market trends made 18% coverage ratio outdated. Mr. Israelson stated his development was to contain homes priced at $100,000 to $250,000. Anything over a starter home wants a 3 car garage and the 18% coverage requirement came as a surprise to him. No other community he has developed property in has such a requirement. The streets are in and lots are determined. Wants to keep houses affordable yet have a quality project. Says the best interest of the City would be to waive the 18% coverage and to allow the protect as proposed. Side yard setbacks will be met, won't detract in the appearance from street and will be a more attractive house. Admitted he should have been aware of the coverage ratio but it was never brought up during the platting process. INFORMATION FROM STAFF: Intent of the 1975 Council - permitted smaller homes so decreased lots from 12,000 sq.ft with 85' frontage to 10,000 sq.ft. with 80' frontage federal. and state grant homes which reflected the trends of the 70 Today trends are larger homes so larger lots need to be available in these new subdivisions. MOTION BY GREENFIELD, SECOND BY WUELLNER TO DENY THIS REQUEST FOR ELIMINATION OF THE COVFRAGE RATIO. THE ELIMINATION OF THE COVERAGE RATIO CONCEPTUALLY REDEFINES AND FURTHER DEGRADES OUR COMMUNITIES CURRENT VALUE OF 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. THE RESULTANT DECREASE ALTERS LOT DENSITY AND DIMINISHES OPEN SPACE. vote taken signified ayes by Wuellner, Greenfield, Arnold. Vote signified nay by Loftus. MOTION CARRIED. MOTION BY LOFTUS, SECOND BY WUELLNER TO CLOSE PULIC HEARING AT 10:55 P.M. Vote taken signified ayes by Wuellner, Loftus, Greenfield, Arnold. MOTION CARRIED. ITEM IV - OTHER BUSINESS A date for the retreat was tentatively set for February 27, 1993, and a list of topics to be discussed should be brought up at the February 4th meeting. P'.,ANH NG COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES JANUARY 21, 1993 PAGE 5 Requested by Deb Garross that the School District Demographic Report that was distributed be read by the Commissioners. Commissioner Greenfield suggested a file for acticles and /or reports on market trends be created so that information can be easily retrieved regarding different issues and be reviewed annually as to it current relevance. This to be gathered by the Commissioners. To be discussed again at the retreat. MOTION BY WUELLNER, SECOND BY LOFTUS TO ADJOURN MEETING. Vote taken signified ayes Loftus, Wuellner, Greenfield, Arnold. MOTION CARRIED. Meeting closed at 11:15 P.M. City Planner Hcrst Graser Acting Recording Secretary Phyllis Knudsen *NOTE - Due to the length and detailed corrections to the minutes please refer to Page 1 and 15 of the February 4, 1993 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes for the changes.