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PRIOR LAKE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
MONDAY December 2, 2013
1. Call to Order:
Director Rogness called the December 2, 2013 Planning Commission meeting to order at 6:01 p.m.
Those present were Commissioners Tom Roszak, Adam Blahnik, Eric Spieler and Wade Larson,
Community & Economic Development Director Dan Rogness, City Engineer Larry Poppler and
Development Service Assistant Sandra Woods.
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MOTION BY SPIELERSECONDED BY LARSON TO APPROVE THE NOMINATION OF
COMMISSIONER ADAM BLAHNIK TO BECOME TEMPORARY VICE-CHAIR.
VOTE: Ayes by Blahnik, Spieler and Larson. The Motion carried.
2. Approval of Agenda:
MOTION BY BLAHNIK, SECONDED BY SPIELER TO APPROVE THE DECEMBER 2, 2013
MEETING AGENDA.
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VOTE: Ayes by Blahnik, Spieler and Larson The Motion carried.
3. Consider Approval of November 18, 2013 Meeting Minutes:
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MOTION BY SPIELERSECONDED BY LARSON TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 18, 2013
MEETING MINUTES.
VOTE: Ayes by Blahnik, Spieler and Larson. The Motion carried.
4. Public Hearings:
A.DEV-2013-0013 Paragon Restoration II, LLC 5448 Cottonwood Lane SE Stacy Park on
behalf of Paragon Restoration II, LLC is proposing a Conditional Use Permit for outside storage
located at 5448 Cottonwood Lane SE.
Director Rogness
described location, site details and the evaluation of the eight conditional uses. He
explained the applicant identifies the need for a secure fence around the structure to store business
related items such as materials and equipment. Director Rogness stated conditions to be followed before
approval is granted. He reviewed Section 1108.200 of the City Codes criteria for approval of a
conditional use permit.
Commissioner Comments/Questions:
Spieler
asked if there are other similar examples in the neighborhood? He asked about other outdoor
storage in that area with fences.
Director Rogness
replied in this particular area (Waterfront Passage Business Park), there are no other
outdoor storage areas; however, in Deerfield there are some examples. On of these is On-Site
Engineering, which has a wooden fence screening their storage area from the public views with a chain
link fence back towards the maintenance garage.
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Larson
mentioned the site plan states the warehouse pictured as a future possibility, and asked for
further information.
Director Rogness
responded that maybe the applicant could better explain this when they address the
Commissioners. He stated the expansion area could have been drawn originally on the survey, or there
may have been a drawing done when the building was first constructed to show the expansion area.
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Larson
mentioned that the site plan looks as though it is dated 5/19/94 and received October 30 of this
year.
Director Rogness
replied that the drawing was done when it was originally built to show how it could
fully build out on that site.
Blahnik
asked does the general business use apply to all the businesses?
Director Rogness
replied that to have outdoor storage in the business park, this particular use would
need to go through the conditional use process.
Blahnik
asked for confirmation that with the C-2 General Business District the storage area cannot be
any larger than the fifty percent of the interior space.
Director Rogness
replied yes.
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MOTION BY SPIELERSECONDED BY LARSON TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:17
P.M.
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VOTE: Ayes by Blahnik, Spieler and Larson The motion carried.
Applicant Comments:
Stacy Park
Owner of Restoration 18636 Hobby Hills Trail, Prior Lake, MN
Applicant Park stated the purpose of this permit and mentioned they are in the process of purchasing the
building with an April 2014 closing. One of the contingences of the purchase of the property is able to
have outdoor storage. The outdoor storage will be used for small trailers and additional wood and
framing type wood. She mentioned that they are a concrete restoration company and fix parking
structures. Currently, the facility does not have the storage area they need; they are very much aware of
the guidelines and ordinances. Applicant Park stated they intend to do some additional landscaping
giving a better curb appeal on Highway 21. She said they would like to expand the building at some
point, but are unsure of when expansion would take place. They would like to have a privacy fence as
either wood or chain link with screening.
Commissions Questions:
Blahnik
asked if the chain link fence with screening would be at what opacity?
Applicant Park
replied at least ninety percent opacity or more and stated the only part of the fence that
would not have this percentage would be the actual opening where the gate access is. She said the price
quote they received was with the fence at 94 percent opacity.
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Spieler
asked in regards to access of the outdoor storage, where would the actual access be?
Applicant Park
replied it would be from the parking lot paved area and then we would expand the class
five gravel from there.
Spieler
asked is there going to be the existing curb around the entire parking lot?
Applicant Park
replied the curb does not run along where the grass is, the curb runs along the east and
west side and goes right into the grass area.
Spieler
asked would you have an access door on the side or would the whole side be an access to pull a
lot of trailers through?
Applicant Park
replied it would about a nine foot opening with a gate on the fence and that would be
the only opening. She stated the purpose for this fence is safety because of trailers and items to lock up.
Larson
asked about the fire hydrant and the required distance from the gate.
Applicant Park
replied that the fence will be even further away from the hydrant then required and they
are willing to work with the city with the fencing.
Larson
asked have they have spoken to any neighbors in the surrounding buildings?
Applicant Park
replied they have not made contact with any neighbors at this point only because they
are in the process of purchasing this property; however, they are aware of the company to the west
which appears to have outdoor storage from time to time, which appears to be trucks and trailers in their
parking lots, not a fenced in area.
MOTION BY SPIELER, SECONDED BY LARSON TO CLOSE THE PUBLICAT 6:25 P.M.
VOTE: Ayes by Blahnik, Spieler and Larson. The motioned carried.
Commissions Comments/Questions:
Spieler
is supporting this permit and is in agreement with staff recommendations.
Larson
is supporting this permit with the eight conditions.
Blahnik
is supporting this permit with the eight conditions as numerated by staff.
MOTION BY SPIELER, SECONDED BY LARSON TOAPPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT TO ALLOW OUTDOOR STORAGE IN THE C-3 BUSINESS PARK ZONING DISTRICT
AT 5448 COTTONWOOD LANE SE WITH THE EIGHT CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENED BY
STAFF.
VOTE: Ayes by Blahnik, Spieler and Larson. The Motion carried.
B.Subsection 1107.2100, Tree Preservation and Restoration. The City of Prior Lake is proposing
an amendment to Subsection 1107.2100, Tree Preservation and Restoration to include a new
section related to the removal of mature trees on vacant property.
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Director Rogness
explained this amendment has been discussed at a prior meeting and stated that this is
a proposed ordinance amendment that adds a provision dealing with vacant property defined as a
woodlot. He explained the applicant could come in for an application to remove more trees than the
subsection allows and discussed what the penalty is if the amendment requirements were not met.
Director Rogness stated what other cities do in Tree Preservation and Restoration and used Shakopee as
an example. He explained how much property in Prior Lake this amendment would apply to if
implemented. He suggested new possible wording that would state vacant property including any parcel
of land or adjacent parcels of land in common ownership greater than one acre of land and ten or more
significant trees would qualify as a woodlot.
Commissioner Comments/Questions:
Spieler
asked how many different properties are there that will qualify for this amendment?
Director Rogness
stated he did not have an exact count of parcels.
Spieler
asked how many have one acre lots since the example map shows both half acre lots and one
acre lots and are not coded or colored differently?
Director Rogness
replied a general assumption would be about a fourth of the highlighted property on
the example map would be removed. Some of the half acre lots or smaller may have common
ownership.
Spieler
asked if everything on the example map in big blocks of parcel common ownership and
anything that is small blocks of parcel is individual ownership?
Director Rogness
responded not necessarily. Using the example map, he showed where common
ownership is being applied with some of the smaller parcels of land.
Spieler
asked if Shakopee two and a half acres limit applies before they need to apply for an
application? And, much of the property would be taken off list?
Director Rogness
replied that Shakopee is at two and a half acres, which was just updated in 2013.
Spieler
stated that Shakopee may have changed their amendment due to a large amount of tree removal
across the street from the Holiday Gas Station on Highway 80. Is saff recommending one acre?
Director Rogness
replied yes.
Larson
asked due to tagging disease
something we could add that would state that tree has been tagged for disease will not be added into the
percentage?
Director Rogness
replied that being a good point.
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Blahnik
asked if a land owner possess a small corner of twenty acres and they have a house in the far
corner of the quarter acre is the entire lot not considered vacant. If it is heavily wooded would that fit
the definition of vacant or not?
Director Rogness replied that would not be deemed vacant land, because there is a house on this land.
Blahnik
asked if the lot itself is twenty acres and the homeowner possess a quarter acre in the far corner
does that remove the remaining 19.75 acres from being vacant?
Director Rogness
replied no it does not. That would be deemed to meet the vacant property definition
or woodlot definition.
Blahnik
asked the fact that the possession of a portion of the parcel does not preclude it from following
under the definition of vacant property?
Director Rogness
replied that is the way staff would enforce it.
Spieler
asked if you had a house on a hobby farm is that considered vacant for a majority of the hobby
farm, except for where the house actually is and how would that work out to the tree preservation?
Commissioner Spieler gave an example of a hobby farm in Spring Lake that may get annexed over to
Prior Lake and asked how would that work?
Director Rogness
responded he is sensing an issue with the way the amendment may be currently
written. He mentioned the fact that just because there is a structure on a piece of land, can preclude us
from thinking we can preserve significant trees. He mentioned that staff may want to go back and look
at this application again.
Blahnik
mentioned this amendment is scheduled for a public hearing and does not appear that anyone is
here to speak on the issue and would like to be left open at this time.
Director Rogness
agreed and suggested that this needs to be reviewed.
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MOTION BY SPIELERSECONDED BY LARSON TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:44
P.M.
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VOTE: Ayes by Blahnik, Spieler and Larson The motioned carried.
MOTION BY SPIELER, SECONDED BY LARSON TOCLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:45
P.M.
VOTE: Ayes by Blahnik, Spieler and Larson. The Motion carried.
Commissioner Comments/Questions:
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Spieler
asked that at the December 16 meeting could provide examples on how many properties would
be excluded if the amendment was changed from a half acre to a full acre, including even more
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stipulations. If the Commission does approve this going forward on the December 16, 2013 what is the
best way to communicate this as part of the regulations to some of those owners as we can make the
change to the amendment?
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Blahnik
stated because of the public hearing on this specific item has been left open, there is no need to
keep commenting on this but he does like the modified definition including common ownership as
opposed to separate parcels, therefore agrees with the direction that this amendment is going.
MOTION BY SPIELER, SECONDED BY LARSON AT 6:47 P.M. TO CONTINUE THE HEARING
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AND TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO DECEMBER 16, 2013.
VOTE: Ayes by Blahnik, Spieler and Larson. The motioned carried.
C.2030 Comprehensive Plan. The City of Prior Lake is proposing an amendment to the 2030
Comprehensive Plan, Chapter 5, Transportation, related to an adequate road and pedestrian
access system in the downtown area, including connections to commercial uses near (south)
Trunk Highway 13.
Director Rogness
stated Larry Poppler will be assisting in the presentation of this presentation and
explained the 2030 Comprehensive Plan. He mentioned this topic was part of a City Council public
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informational meeting on October 28, 2013 and the Council gave direction to staff to incorporate a
general statement in the comprehensive plan for improving roadways in the downtown area. Director
Rogness explained the amendments and how they relate to the comprehensive plan.
Commissioner Comments/Questions:
Larson
asked Engineer Poppler whether Scott County has responded to questions or proposal of no
left/right turn situations?
Engineer Poppler
replied there was a letter drafted and sent in mid-November with this request and the
request was going to be taken to the board, however he has not heard if this has taken place therefore, he
has not heard of a final word to this request.
Larson
Engineer Poppler
responded there are concerns with some of the signage that was proposed.
Larson
commented City Council was directing this would be builder driven and not to tear down homes
and things of that nature to interfere with the community.
Spieler
as defined in the amendment?
Director Rogness
explained the areas that would be included in this comprehensive plan. He
mentioned some example areas and stated there is some specific areas that will not change as well.
Spieler
asked where the improvement is supposed to run and how far south? He mentioned that
commercial areas could mean anything and there is more commercial areas along 21 further toward the
Verling Farm and what is the access to these places? He asked what is considered the arterial roads and
would everyone be forced to come down 21 to get to downtown?
Director Rogness
up toward Burger King, and the idea is Highway 13 & 21 provide the main arterial system that feed the
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downtown. Staff was really looking at some alternative ways to strengthen the downtown connection
directly to the Southlake Village area and that could be via Duluth, however there is the alternative route
alignment and it was mentioned a part of the Councils direction is to have development help drive where
that might best occur.
Spieler
asked so this is not only referring to the downtown area, it is for everything right?
Director Rogness
replied yes and we only used the Southdown Town study as an example but it is for
the strength of the downtown with the strength of the other commercial areas.
Spieler
Engineer Poppler
responded you can measure adequate by construction, bottle necks and etc.
Spieler
asked are we talking about the flow?
Engineer Poppler
replied the study was to provide a good supporting roadway network, supporting
Highway 21 and 13 within our downtown area and adequate is making sure we have the good
supporting network and that is the goal we are trying to perceive with the language.
Spieler
commented that he just would like clarification on adequate and the proper measurement for
each applicant.
MOTION BY BLAHNIK, SECONDED BY SPIELER TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:00
P.M.
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VOTE: Ayes by Blahnik, Spieler and Larson The motioned carried
MOTION BY SPIELER, SECONDED BY LARSON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:01
P.M.
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VOTE: Ayes by Blahnik, Spieler and Larson The motioned carried.
Commissions Comments/Questions:
Spieler
the Planning Commission makes the motion to approve this would it still go to the City Council as well?
Director Rogness
replied we will present this to the City Council a week from tonight assuming that
this is recommended to move forward.
Blahnik
stated he is supportive to the recommending of these amendments to the City Council based on
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the direction from City Councils October 28, 2013 hearing where a motion was approved to direct staff
to incorporate a general statement in the comprehensive plan for improving roadways and downtown.
Larson
is fellow commissioners and does support this
amendment to the City Council.
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MOTION BY SPIELER, SECONDED BY LARSON TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF
AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 5, TRANSPORATION OF THE 2030 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
RELATED TO SECTIONS 5.1 AND 5.2 AND FIGURE 5.4.
VOTE: Ayes by Blahnik, Spieler and Larson. The motioned carried.
5. Old Business:
A. No Old Business Items
6. New Business:
A. No New Business Items
7. Announcements and Correspondence:
A.Recent City Council discussions/decisions.
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Director Rogness
stated there will be a second meeting on Monday, December 16, 2013 including
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election of officers, as well as the Enclave at Cleary Lake 2 Addition to review.
8. Adjournment:
MOTION BY BLAHNIK, SECONDED BY LARSON TO ADJORN THE MEETING 7:06 P.M.
VOTE: Ayes by Blahnik, Spieler and Larson. The Motion carried.
Sandra Woods, Development Services Assistant
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