HomeMy WebLinkAboutDecember 12, 2005
16200 Eagle Creek Avenue S.E.
Prior Lake. MN 55372-1714
PARK ADVISORY C.O'MMI'TTEE MEE.TIING
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1 . Call to Order
2. Approval of November meeting minutes
3. Parks, Athletics, and Recreation Facility Long Range Planning Task Force -
4. Update on PAC recommendations to City Council for:
Watzls Docks, Wheel Fun, Skate Park - Angie
5. Go over fee schedules for 2006 (Pavilion & Parking increases) - Angie
6. Tobacco -Free Signs for Jeffers Pond (see attachment)
7. Fence at Woods in the Wilds Park - Mike/AI
8. DNR Access at Sand Point Beach - AI
9. Sand Point Beach Play Structure Update - AI
10. Spring Lake Park Update - AI
11. Warming House Opening - Angie
12. Future Meeting Date
a. January 9th, 2006
Adjournment
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16200 Eagle Creek Avenue S.E.
Prior Lake, MN 55372-1714
Parks Advisory t;ommIttee MInutes
11/14/05
6:02-8:30 p.m.
Members Present: Pat McFadden, Dick Carlson, Todd Loose, Cari Grayson, Tim Libert, and
Mike Feriancek
Staff Present: Angela Barstad, Al Friedges
Public Present: Joe Ziska (City Council), Mark Schroeder (PLAY), and Tim Connors
Meetin2 called to order at 6:02 pm by An2ie Barstad
Approval of the October 11, 2005 Meetin2 Minutes: Todd's name was mistyped as tom.
Angie will correct the error. Motion by Todd Loose to approve the October 11,2005 Meeting
Minutes. Second by Pat McFadden, approved !
Approval of November A2enda - Angie Barstad added the following to the agenda: 10te in
PAC Chair, Play structure at Sandpoint Beach, Ponds Concession Construction Updatef Woods
in the Wilds .
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Vote in PAC Chair and introduce new PAC members - Pat McFadden made a moti~m to vote
in Mike Feriancek as the new PAC Chair. Second by Todd Loose, approved. b
Tim Libert and Cari Grayson introduced themselves. Angie Barstad handed out the P A By-
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Laws to all new members. .
Parks, Athletics, and Recreation Facility Lon2 Ran2e Plannin2 Task Force - Ang' e Barstad
stated there were no new updates since the last PAC meeting with the PAR Task Force as there
next meeting will be held Thursday, November 1 ih. Angie Barstad handed out the age da for
the next Task Force meeting and informed everyone in attendance at the PAC meeting that they
are welcome to attend the Task Force meeting. I
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PAC Recommendations to Cit Council for Watzls Docks Wheel Fun Lakefront Skate
Park - Angie Barstad presented the PAC with the City Council Agenda Report she cr ated for
the November 21 S\ 2005 City Council Meeting. This report outlined the recommendatilons
discussed at the October PAC meeting regarding Watzls Docks, Wheel Fun and Lakefil'ont Skate
Park. Todd Loose motioned to approve the report. Second by Mike Feriancek, approvqt.
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Fee Schedules for 2006 - Todd Loose recommended we increase the following fees: fakefront
Pavilion Rental for Non-Residents from $75 per hour to $100, Park Permits for Non R sidents
from $35 to $50, Boat Trailer Parking from $15 to $20. Angie Barstad recommended t at the
minimum Lakefront Pavilion Rental time during the week should be increased from 1 . our to 2
hours.
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Before the PAC will approve the recommended increases to the Lakefront Pavilion rentflls they
wanted Angie Barstad to do a feasibility study with cities around Prior Lake to see how~much
they charge for pavilion rentals. Angie Barstad will gather this information and bring it 0 the
December PAC meeting. The PAC will vote on all increases at the December meeting. I
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Play Structure at Sandpoint Beach - Community member, Tim Connors, explained t the
PAC his issues with the new play structure being constructed at Sandpoint Beach. Tim onnors
stated that he feels the play structure takes up too much "green space" at the beach, whi h causes
Sandpoint Beach to lose its "flavor". Tim Connors feels the structure should never hav been put
in that area. Since the structure is almost complete and already paid for, he doesn't feel 't should
be taken out, rather we should allow for additional "green space" elsewhere at that loca ion. Tim
Connors suggested we take out the Volleyball courts and put grass in that area.
Al Friedges presented the PAC with drawings and an aerial view of the Sandpoint Bea h area,
showing exactly how much space the new structure will occupy as well as photos of th structure
under construction. Al Friedges explained that since Sandpoint Beach is a Community ark it
attracts a larger volume and more diverse group of people then a neighborhood park. F r that
reason we offer playground equipment at Sandpoint Beach. The existing playground e ipment
was not ADA (American Disabilities Act) compliant. Al Friedges explained that all pIa
structures must be updated per ADA requirements. This entails such items as: grade of and from
the handicap parking area to the playground, wheel chair accessible ramp to the equip ent, etc.
In order to comply with ADA standards the playground area has been enlarged slightly This
play structure will be ADA compliant for young toddlers (ages 2 - 5) and older childre (ages 5
-12).
The PAC believes this is a great improvement to the Sandpoint Beach playground area, with
minimal encroachment to the beach.
If Tim Connors would like to remove a Volleyball court the PAC would have to do an valuation
on the use of that area and present the findings to the City Council before anything of t at nature
could be considered. Tim Connors felt the PAC was "fluffing"/putting him off on this.
Angie Barstad explained that the playground and volleyball area are highly used in the ummer
by all families with children and that there would be a great number of people disappoi ted in
the removal of the play structure or the Volleyball Courts.
Tim Connors stated he is getting a petition together and will present his complaint to t e new
City Council members. He also stated he plans to write an editorial on this issue in the ocal
paper. Tim Connors then left the meeting with no resolution.
Al Friedges explained to the PAC why the play structure could not be put at any other ea in
Sandpoint Beach (i.e. more costly, too close to the busy parking lot, sewer drainage in he way,
etc.). The PAC supports the Sandpoint Beach playground project.
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Ponds Concession Construction Update - Al Friedges stated the block work is done ~d
everything is still running on schedule for this project. I
The Woods in the Wilds - Mike Feriancek stated he was concerned about how close e
playground will be to the lake at this location and felt there should be a fence construe d
between the lake and the playground area. Al Friedges recommended discussing this a the
December PAC meeting so the PAC can come up with some criteria for putting fences around
pond/park areas in the city for consistency.
This item will be place on the December PAC agenda.
Meeting adjourned, 8:30 pm
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Dome, YMCA, multi-pu pose
concepts are pitched t PAR
In the span of three meetings, the 25 members of the Prior Lake an Savage Park,
Athletic & Recreation (PAR) Facilities Task Force have obtained vi I information
about the needs of their community and some of the more intriguin concepts being
proposed to address them.
Four of those proposals were presented on Thursday, Dec. 1 at Oak idge Elementary
School. Scott Sinjem and Alex Bunbury pitched competing plans fi r their multi-sport
dome facilities, Yvonne Anderson detailed the YMCA's plans for th Shepherd's Path
campus, and Scott Martini of the Prior Lake/Savage Area Hockey ssociation shared
his group's vision for a multi-sport facility on the campus of the hig school.
Here's an overview of the four presentations, each of which ended ith task force
members querying the presenter about the finer points ofthe propo als..
Laker Dome
Scott Sinjem and Mike Gresser, would like to build a 450-foot long by 250-foot wide
multi-sport dome facility that Sinjem said would be the largest dom in Minnesota not
named Metrodome. Going by the name of Laker Dome, it would be run like a for-prof-
it business. In exchange for land to build on, Sinjem and Gresser w uld rely on private
money to construct the $2.5 million facility and then allow the scho 1 district and com-
munity organizations to rent the facility on an hourly basis, with th control of the
building being turned over to the school district after 25 years. Sinj m said siting has
been a big obstacle, with he and Gresser preferring the old high sch 01 football field
site and the school board favoring one next to Hidden Oaks Middle School. The Laker
Dome turf would host soccer, fast- and slow-pitch softball, and foo all...and it would
generate $60,000 in property taxes annually, Sinjem said.
Shepherd of the Lake Dome Proposal ,
Former professional soccer player Alex Bunbury said he and a groulp of five investors
are moving ahead with plans to construct a multi-sport dome facilitr on the Shepherd's
Path campus in Prior Lake. He said the facility he is proposing is similar to the Laker
Dome concept. It would be open 12 months of the year, and he wothd run his special-
ized training program through it in addition to renting out space to eommunity organi-
zations. It too, would be run as a for-profit business, he stressed. "'I]here will be
investors, and they will expect some return on their investments," he said, adding that
he looks fOlward to sitting down with community organizations to map out usage of
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the facility. He didn't rule out creating opportunities for basketball and even hockey
within the facility.
YMCA Proposal
Yvonne Anderson, community development director for the YMCA, shared her orga-
nization's concept plan for the Shepherd's Path campus. The proposed 48,000 square
foot facility, with an estimated price tag of $9 million, wOuld house a natatorium,
kids' adventure zone, health and wellness center and multi-purpose rooms, with the
potential to add gymnasiwn space down the road. Anderson said the YMCA would
commit $4 to $5 million up front and try to raise the rest through fundraising activi-
ties. The YMCA already has a strong presence in Prior Lake, welcoming 3,500 kids
annually into its Kici Yapi Day Camp environment which is staffed by 88 paid
employees and 99 volunteers.
PL/S Hockey Association Proposal
Frustrated for years by the lack of ice space in their commWlities, Scott Martini and
the Prior Lake/Savage Hockey Association did something about it earlier this year,
forming a facilities committee to explore potential solutions not only for their needs,
but for the the needs of other community athletic organizations. Their vision is a
multi-sport facility similar to the Pagel Center in Minnetonka that they would like to
build on the high school campus in Savage. The facility could be builtto house one or
two sheets of ice which would become the home of future Laker hockey games. The
training facility would accommodate youth and high school athletes while providing
additional facilities for the high school's daily use. In addition to the rinks, their pro-
posal calls for retractable bleachers, indoor running track. a 20,000-square-foot gym-
nastics facility, a 7,OOO-square-foot speed/strength/agility/conditioning training facili-
ty and a multi-purpose meeting room. The facility could be reconfigured for tennis,
volleyball, long jump, pole vaulting, batting cages, pitching nets, lacrosse and floor
hockey, Martini said. From a cost standpoint, a one-rink facility would run in the $5.5
million range, a two-rink facility in the $9 to $10 million range. Like the Laker Dome
developers, the hockey association would pay for the construction of the building,
rent space to the school district and community organizations, and turn it back over to
the district after 25 years.
Future meetings
The task force will meet again Thursday, Dec. 15 at 7 p.m. at Oakridge. On the agen-
da that night will be presentations by representatives of lifeTime Fitness and
Dakotah! Sport & Fitness.
Future meetings have been set for Jan. 5 and 19, same time and location.
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2005 OFFICIAL CITY FEE SCHEDULE
City of Prior Lake
(Effective January 3, 2005)
PARK FACILITY RENTALS:
Picnic ShelterlBand ShelVGazebo Rental (Community Parks)
Resident .
Non-Resident
PriorLake Lions Club (Sand Point Beach Only)
Lakefront Park Pavilion Rental:
Resident
(Mon-Fri, 1 hr. minJSat, Sun, City Holidays 4 hr. min)
Non-Resident
(Mon-Fri, I hr. minJSat, Sun, City Holidays 4 hr. min)
School District #719 (Monday-Friday, 1 hr. min.)
(Sat., Sun. &. City Holidays, 4 hr. min.)
Youth Organizations, non-profit civic groups, churches
&. government agency functions (Mon-Friday, I hr min)
(Sat., Sun. &. City Holidays, 4 hr. min.)
FIELD RESERVATIONS:
Baseball Fields (Communitv Parks):
Residents
Non-residents
P.L.A. Y. sponsored activities
Prior Lalce Jays
Prior Lake Mutkats
IS.D. sponsored teams
American Legion
Softball Fields (Communtiv Parks):
Residents
Non-residents
P.L.A. Y. sponsored activities
Field PreDaration:
Weekday field prep.jor P.L.A. Y.
Soccer Fields:
Residents
Non-residents
Prior Lake Soccer Club
Football Fields:
Residents
Non-residents
P.L.A. Y. sponsored activities
FieldlRink Li2hts-Private GroUD (2 hr min):
P.L.A.Y. sponsored activities
Prior Lake Soccer Club
Prior Lake Hockey Association
Hockev Rinks:
Prior Lalce Hockey Association
SOFTBALL TOURNAMENTS:
Fees for a two day weekend tournament
(Four fields, morning prep both days &. periodic trash removal)
P.L.A. Y. sponsored activities
Additional Days
P.L.A. Y. sponsored activities
Field Lighting (Four fields)
Additional field Preparation (2 hour minimum)
PARK PERMITS
Boat Trailer Parking (Sand Point Beach)
Daily Admission (Sand Point Beach)
Season Park Sticker (resident/non-resident)
Park Program Surcharge (non-resident)
Park Support Fee. (pre-200} development)
Picnic Table Moves
Beach Groups (over 25 people)
SO.OO/day
100.00/day
No Charge.
SO.oolhour, 200.00 damage deposit
75.001hr, 200.00 damage deposit
25.00/hour
SO.OO/hour
25.OOIhour
50.00/hour
SO.OO/field iper day
I oo.oo/field Iper day
No Charge
No Charge
No Charge
No Charge
No Charge
50.oo/fieldper day
I OO.OO/field, per day
No Charge
2S.00/field per preparation
No r:harge
50.00/field per day
loo.OO/field per day
No Charge
SO.oo/fiel~ per day
I OO.oo/fiel~ per day
NoiCharge
25.oo/hour per field/rink
No!Charge
No i Charge
No i Charge
regJnon-reg. hrs. 15.~/30.oo
NOiCharge
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NO~Charge
SO.oo/field per day
No Charge
10 .oo/day
5(lOO/hour
IS.oo/day
~.oo/day
25.00/35.00
5.00/person, per program
850.00
5.OOItable
2.00/person
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16200 Eagle Creek Avenue S.E.
Prior Lake, MN 55372-1714
Parks Advisory Committee Minutes
12/13/05
6:05-8:05 p.m.
Members Present: Pat McFadden, Dick Carlson, Todd Loose, Cari Grayson, Tim Libert, and
Mike Feriancek
Staff Present: Angela Barstad, Al Friedges
Meetine; called to order at 6:05 pm by Mike Feriancek
Approval of the November 14, 2005 Meetine; Minutes: Todd Loose motioned to approve the
November meeting minutes and second by Pat McFadden, approved
Approval of December Ae;enda - Mike Feriancek added the following items: 2005 Goals
Review, 2006 Goals. Todd Loose motioned to approve the December agenda, second by Pat
McFadden,approved.
Parks, Athletics, and Recreation Facility Lone; Rane;e Plannine; Task Force - Angie Barstad
stated there were 4 presentations given at the 12/1/05 PAR meeting. Laker Dome presented by
Scott Sinjem and Mike Gresser, Sheperd of the Lake Dome presented by Alex Bunbury, YMCA
presented by Yvonne Anderson and PUS Hockey Association presented by Scott Martini. The
task force will meet Thursday, 12/15/05, and will hear a presentation by a representative of Life
Time Fitness and Dakotah Sport & Fitness;
PAC Recommendations to City Council for Watzls Docks, Wheel Fun, Lakefront Skate
Park - Angie Barstad updated the PAC on her council presentation, which occurred on
11/21/05. The City Council approve the PAC recommendations for Watzls Boat Slips (keep
reservation system for 1 more year with more marketing/communication to community), Wheel
Fun rentals at Lakefront Park (remove this venue from the park), Skatepark (will be open with
limited concession available for sale).
Fee Schedules for 2006 - Todd Loose recommended we increase the following fees: Lakefront
Pavilion Rental for Non-Residents from $75 per hour to $100, Park Permits for Non Residents
from $35 to $50, Boat Trailer Parking from $15 to $20. Angie Barstad recommended that the
minimum Lakefront Pavilion Rental time during the week should be increased from 1 hour to 2
hours.
Before the PAC would approve the recommended increases to the Lakefront Pavilion rentals
they wanted Angie Barstad to do a feasibility study with cities around Prior Lake to see how
much they charge for pavilion rentals. Angie Barstad did contact several cities south of the river
and discovered our rates were a little higher then most cities for an equivalent facility.
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The PAC decided to raise the Pavilion rental for Non-Residents to $85 to help cover increasing
operating costs. The PAC did not want to raise the rate for residents. The PAC approved all other
previously mentioned fee and time increases. Mike Feriancek motioned for the increases in fees
and time and was second by Cari Grayson, approved.
Tobacco-Free Si2BS - The PAC decided to leave the Tobacco-Free signage up to the school
district and not put up any signs on the land that is off of school grounds.
The Woods in the Wilds - Mike Feriancek stated he was concerned about how close the
playground will be to the lake at this location and felt there should be a fence constructed
between the lake and the playground area. Al Friedges recommended discussing this at the
December PAC meeting so the PAC can come up with some criteria for putting fences around
pond/park areas in the city for consistency.
Al Friedges checked with League of Minnesota Cities regarding fencing criteria for parks with
ponds by them. The League of Minnesota Cities has no set criteria. Most cities use common
sense. If there is a danger, i.e. the drop off from the park is steep and runs directly into the pond
then a fence may be a necessity. The League of Minnesota Cities believes that fencing, in most
cases, draws more attention from kids then ifthere were no fence. PAC decided not to do a fence
at this time.
DNR Access at Sand Point Beach - Al Friedges is suggesting we keep the DNR access, which
is adjacent to Sand Point Beach, open year round at Sand Point Beach and close the designated
winter access that goes through the Sand Point Beach park area. This designated access that runs
through the park is damaging the park such as, ruts, damage to turf and the signs that are posted
in the winter to restrict vehicles so they don't run through the rest ofthe park, are being broken
off, causing potential injury in the summer months to the park patrons, ifnot seen.
Al Friedges would like to start this process offwith a neighborhood meeting, for the
neighborhood's approval, in conjunction with the March PAC meeting at Lakefront Pavilion.
The PAC agreed this would be a good course of action and will follow through in March on this
topic.
Play Structure at Sandpoint Beach -Tim Connors went to the City Council and voiced his
issues with the Sand Point play structure. Al Friedges will present the maintenance/public works
point of view at the 12/19/05 City Council meeting. Al will inform the City Council of why the
play structure was constructed in that particular spot as well as why it can not work in other areas
of the park. Al invited all PAC members to attend the 12/19/05 City Council meeting.
Sprine Lake Park Update - Al Friedges stated that Scott County is currently in the process of
creating a new master plan for Spring Lake Park. Brauer & Associates will lead the plan. Some
of the input from residents that attended the meeting was: paved and natural trails throughout the
park, campsites, and enhancing the natural resources within the park. The land that the City of
Prior Lake purchased from the county in Spring Lake Park could potentially have joint uses.
Al will continue to bring the PAC updates on the entire Spring Lake Park area.
Warmine House Openine - Angie Barstad updated the PAC on the Warming House status. The
Warming House will open on 12/26/05 through the week of Valentines Day in 2006.
2005 Goals Review - Mike Feriancek reviewed the 2005 goals, they were:
1. Capital improvement overview
2. Boat slips
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3. JeffersPond
4. Park Comp Plan
5. Skatepark evaluation
6. Rental equipment update at Lakefront Park
7. Spring Lake Park update
8. Sand Point and Ponds evaluation
9. 2020 Vision Update
1 o. Youth Athletics partnership
2006 Goals - Mike Feriancek would like everyone involved with the PAC to come up with some
goals for 2006 they would like to see the PAC achieve. (i.e. DNR access, Skatepark & boat slip
evals, RestorationlFin program update, etc.)
Mike Feriancek motioned to adjourn the meeting, Tim Libert second, approved.
Meeting adjourned, 8:05 pm
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