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MONDAY, DECEMBER 9, 2002
Fire Station - City Council Chambers
6:30 p.m.
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Call Meeting to Order:
Roll Call:
Approval of Minutes:
Consent Agenda:
Case//02-123 Karl Holm Variance Resolution
Public Hearings:
Case//02-133 Consider an Amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Map for the
Spring Lake Regional Park Property located in Section 4, Spring Lake Township.
Case #02-134 Consider an Amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Map for the
Stemmer property located in the Southwest Quarter of the Northwest Quarter of
Section 4, Spring Lake Township.
Old Business:
New Business:
Announcements and Correspondence:
Adjournment:
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- PUBLIC HEARING
Conducted by the Planning Commission
The Planning Commission welcomes your comments in this matter. In fairness to
all who choose to speak, we ask that, after speaking once you allow ever3~one to
speak before you address the Commission again and limit your comments to new
information.
Please be aware this is the principal opportunity to provide input on this matter.
Once the public hearing is closed, further testimony or comment will not be possible
except under rare occasions.
The City Council will not hear additional testimony when it considers this matter.
Thank you.
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PUBLIC HEARING
Conduced by the P~nning Commission
The Planning Commission welcomes your comments in this matter. In fairness to
all who choose to speak, we ask that, after speaking once you allow everyone to
speak before you address the Commission again and limit your comments to new
information.
Please be aware this is the principal opportunity to provide input on this matter.
Once the public hearing is closed, further testimony or comment will not be possible
except under rare occasions.
The City Council will not hear additional testimony when it considers this matter.
Thank you.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
MONDAY, DECEMBER 9, 2002
1. Call to Order:
Chairman Stamson called the December 9, 2002, Planning Commission meeting to order
at 6:30 p.m. Those present were Commissioners Atwood, Criego, Lemke, Ringstad and
Stamson, Planning Coordinator Jane Kansier and Recording Secretary Connie Carlson.
2. Roll Call:
Atwood Present
Criego Present
Lemke Present
Ringstad Present
Stamson Absent*
*Commissioner Stamson arrived at 6:36 p.m. and took over as Chair.
3. Approval of Minutes:
Change on Page 10 - Lemke's first comment. The Minutes from the November 25,
2002, Planning Commission meeting were approved with the change.
4. Consent:
A. Case #02-123 Karl Holm Variance Resolution
MOTION BY LEMKE, SECOND BY ATWOOD, TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 02-
021PC APPROVING AN 11.4 FOOT VARIANCE FROM THE REQUIRED 25 FOOT
FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITION TO A
SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
Ayes by Lemke, Atwood, Criego, nay by Ringstad. MOTION CARRIED.
5. Public Hearings:
Commissioner Criego read the Public Hearing Statement and opened the meeting.
A. Case #02-133 Consider an Amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Map for
the Spring Lake Regional Park Property located in Section 4, Spring Lake
Township.
Planning Coordinator Jane Kansier presented the Planning Report dated December 9,
2002, on file in the office of the City Planning Department.
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On October 21, 2002, the City Council adopted a resolution annexing approximately 275
acres of Spring Lake Park located on the north side of Shoreline Drive and west of
Northwood Road. Since this property was not included on the City plans, the Council
also initiated an amendment to the City Comprehensive Plan to include this property.
The proposed amendment designates this property for Recreation and Open Space uses
on the 2020 Comprehensive Plan Map.
The proposed amendment to the Comprehensive Plan includes this area on the City's
Comprehensive Plan Map and designates the area for Recreation and Open Space uses.
This designation is consistent with the Land Use Plan designation of the portion of Spring
Lake Park already located within the City.
City Staff recommended approval of the Amendment.
Comments from the public:
Jim Weninger, 2591 Spring Lake Road, questioned the criteria for posting and
notification. He was not notified. Kansier responded notices were sent out to residents
500 feet from the property and posting is not required. Weninger stated he was frustrated
over the proposed change. He did not feel the County, Park or City had a very good view
of what was planned. Some of his concerns were increasing traffic on County Road 12;
development of the park; runoff from County Road 12; original concepts for the park
programs and neighbors have not seen any plans or documentation. Weninger felt it is a
good action but the Planning Commission did not have enough information to make a
decision at this time.
Criego asked Weninger to point out where he lived on the map. Kansier stated his name
was on the list, along with a copy of the labels and the City did not receive any returned
notices.
Stamson questioned staff on the park development process. Kansier responded on the
procedure and rezoning. The City had been told by the County and Three Rivers Park
District they did not immediately plan on developing the park. It would be a minimum of
5 to 10 years out, primarily due to funding constraints.
Stamson explained the Comprehensive Plan guideline procedures.
Weninger questioned the heating procedure.
Kansier pointed out under the City's Zoning Ordinance, Park and Recreational Open
Space are permitted uses and do not require public hearings for development. That is not
to say Three River Park District may hold neighborhood meetings or give a presentation.
The County is looking at County Road 12 re-alignment and would probably have
neighborhood meetings as well.
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Weninger would like the neighbors to have leverage and input on the park development
as it is a real asset to the community.
Linda King, 2523 Spring Lake Road, questioned staff if there would be a buy-out
procedure in rezoning. Stamson explained the procedure. Kansier said she was not
aware of Three Rivers Park buying out any homes. She also explained the County and
City are working on upgrading part of County Road 12.
Randy Baldwin, 2535 Spring Lake Road, questioned the alternatives and benefits to the
residents of annexing in the park. Kansier explained the procedure for adding the land
into our City map and that nothing is really changing as far as the park dynamics.
Baldwin does not want it to develop into baseball and soccer fields with lights. Kansier
responded other alternatives would allow more development. Baldwin questioned other
zoning choices. Kansier explained the park ordinances. The property is still owned by
Scott County.
Stamson questioned Scott County's park zoning designation. Kansier responded.
Barb St. John, Vergus Avenue, said she was concerned the property would stay parkland.
If not, how much would turn into residential lots. Kansier responded she was not aware
of it changing. Another concern was that all lake residents should have been notified.
More dockage would affect boat traffic. She would like residents to be able to walk or
use a bike path around Spring Lake. Looking forward to a nice park.
Patty Pabuda, 2501 Spring Lake Road, said she did not understand the procedure and just
wants the park to stay the way it is. Kansier explained the City did not have total control
over the parkland as it is owned by Scott County and controlled by Three River Park
District. Pabuda wondered what would happen if someone found an eagle's nest.
Kansier did not know.
Louis Madsen, 2530 Spring Lake Road, was surprised to get the notice. He would like the
park to stay the same. Would like information sent to him on the development.
Stamson clarified the Comprehensive Plan Amendment.
Patty Pabuda stated Three Rivers Park and the DNR were the same thing. Kansier
cleared up the issue. Stamson explained the procedure. Pabuda felt the City already had
37 parks and would like to see this park to stay natural so children can go out into the
woods and see a snapping turtle and blue heron.
Stamson explained the park differences between the City and Three River Parks District.
Jerry Schrank, 2956 Hawk Ridge Road, would like more information and understanding
about the request and alternatives before the Commission. Kansier responded to his
concerns and said notices for public hearings would be sent to the surrounding property
owners when a plan came in.
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Patty Pabuda, questioned why the City bought this property. Kansier said the City did not
buy the park, it is owned by Scott County and controlled by Three Rivers Park District.
The public hearing was closed.
Comments from the Commissioners:
Criego:
This is the right designation for the Comprehensive Pan. The property was
annexed a month ago and the City is labeling the territory basically the same as
the County. That is important for everyone to understand.
· Stressed this is not City property. Scott County owns the land.
· Does not see anything major taking place in the near future. Notification will be
sent out when there is a change and input from the community will be heard.
· This is actually the way the park should be.
· In favor of the Amendment.
Lemke:
· Agreed with Criego, this is more of a housekeeping procedure. The boundaries of
this property changed and are now in the City of Prior Lake. The Comprehensive
Plan Map must reflect a designation.
· Recreational Open Space is what it should be used for. How it is going to be used
is determined in the future.
Atwood: · Agreed with Commissioners.
· Be aware that Scott County had it designated as UER (Urban Expansion Reserve)
which is less desirable than what the City is proposing.
· In favor of Amendment.
Ringstad:
· This is just a housekeeping item. The property was recently annexed into the City
and because of that it must be designated as something. Based on all the options
and alternatives, the members of the audience should be comfortable with what
staff is recommending.
· Supported Amendment.
Stamson:
· Agreed with Commissioners. This is appropriate, most restrictive and the least
dense form of development. The alternative is housing or commercial, which this
property is not appropriate for.
· Residents have valid concerns with development issues. There are a number of
venues that will be reviewed. Recommend the residents stay on top of Scott
County and Three River Parks District to see what their plans are. It is in the
early stages.
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· Supported the amendment.
Stamson addressed a question from the audience on why the property was annexed in.
Essentially the County asked that it be annexed into the City limits because it would be
advantageous to them. The County will still own the property, it is simply part of the
City limits.
MOTION BY LEMKE, SECOND BY ATWOOD, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF
THE AMENDMENT TO ADD APPROXIMATELY 275 ACRES TO THE 2020
COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AND TO DESIGNATE THIS AREA FOR
RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE USE.
Vote taken indicated ayes by all. MOTION CARRIED.
This will go before the City Council on January 6, 2003.
B. Case #02-134 Consider an Amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Map for
the Stemmer property located in the Southwest Quarter of the Northwest Quarter
of Section 4, Spring Lake Township.
Planning Coordinator Jane Kansier presented the Planning Report dated December 9,
2002, on file in the office of the City Planning Department.
On October 21, 2002, the City Council adopted a resolution annexing approximately 65
acres of land located on the north side of Shoreline Drive directly west of Spring Lake
Park. Since this property was not included on the City plans, the Council also initiated an
amendment to the City Comprehensive Plan to include this property. The proposed
amendment designates this property for Low to Medium Density Residential uses on the
2020 Comprehensive Plan Map.
The proposed amendment to the Comprehensive Plan includes this area on the City's
Comprehensive Plan Map and designates the area for Low to Medium Density
Residential uses. This designation, which allows densities up to 10 units per acre, is
consistent with the Land Use Plan designation of the residential property along
Northwood Road. The potential developer for this site has indicated the property will be
developed with single family lots. This type of development is also consistent with the
proposed R-L/MD designation.
The Staff recommended approval of the Amendment as the R-L/MD designation is
consistent with the goals of the Comprehensive Plan.
Comments from the public:
Jim Weninger, 2591 Spring Lake Road, clarified the purpose of the hearing. He has had
several conversations in the past few weeks indicating the County is reviewing traffic
flow that is not resolved yet. The City has had discussions of extending sewer and water
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to the area and the Three River Parks District does not have finances in their development
plan. Suggested this land not be removed from the agricultural land designation to a
development zone because of the nebulous areas of the development. County Road 12 is
not adequate to handle the traffic with a new development. Access across County Road
12 is a safety issue. Why should this be designated at this time? It would be more
appropriate to leave the property zoned agriculture until the City comes up with a plan.
Stamson explained the designation procedure at this time. Scott County will not do the
plan until the City designates the property.
Weninger disagreed with the process.
Kansier explained the ordinances and designation procedures.
Dave Brown, representing Bruce and Marge Schulz, the adjoining property owners are in
favor of guiding property as proposed. They understand the platting process and there
will be another forum to discuss. They believe a future arterial road will extend through
their property all the way to Marschall Road. This could pose a potential condemnation to
the property. The Schultz's know this is not the appropriate time to speak on the issue
but wanted to plant the seed.
Barb St. John, 17480 Vergus Avenue, questioned Kansier on the sewer capacity to serve
the area. Kansier responded. St John stated she is always reading in the paper that the
City has a water shortage and asked why would they do this? Kansier responded. St.
John's other concern is that lake owners should be notified of development because of the
high lake traffic.
Atwood questiOned St. John if she had access to the Prior Lake American. St. John said
she had a Jordan address and has to subscribe to the paper.
Randy Baldwin, 2535 Spring Lake Road, asked if the issue of 75 boat slips was already
discussed in the paper. Kansier responded those comments were during the annexation
discussions between the Town Board. She went on to explain the development would
have to come with a complete plan. There would be notification to the adjoining
residents and it would be noticed in the paper. Baldwin said the residents are concerned
and would like input on the development. He also felt development decisions were
already made. Stamson addressed his concerns.
Jim Weninger said there was a lot of hearsay among the residents. This is not the night to
make a decision. He felt the City should uphold to the agreements made between the
County and Township.
Barb St. John, questioned the possible addition of 75 boat slips. The entire lake property
owners should be notified. The DNR has 2 parking lots in their public access - it's
obvious they feel that number of boats to the lake is appropriate. The boat traffic on the
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lake is so excessive in the last few years. If we allow 75 more boats there is not going to
be a time to use the lake. She felt everyone on the lake should be personally notified.
Stamson said the State sets the guidelines on notification and suggested lake owners
should subscribe to the Prior Lake American or create some way of communication
between neighbors to stay on top of the notices.
Dick Sloan, son-in-law of the property owner, Warren Stemmer, questioned what the
consequences would be if the Commission votes against the staff recommendation.
Kansier said the Commissioners make a recommendation to the City Council who will
make the final decision. Stamson explained the State requires the City to designate the
property in some way appropriate for the long term.
Jim Weninger, said he fully understands the notification guidelines, but signs should be
posted for the rezoning. Kansier responded every attempt would be made when a
specific development plan is submitted.
Marjean Townley, a new resident at 2530 South Shore Drive, recommended keeping the
zoning "Agricultural" under the Comprehensive Plan. When Prior Lake has a "No
Wake" enforcement, Spring Lake does not, which will cause a lot of erosion problems.
Barb St. John, questioned the Low-Medium Density and mailing delivery routes.
Stamson responded that was a Federal Postal issue.
The public hearing was closed.
Comments from the Commissioners:
Ringstad:
· Felt Mr. Weninger had a good idea for posting when the specific rezoning
changes are proposed.
· This property does need to be designated. We're not acting on a specific plan.
· Supported the land designation as recommended by staff.
Atwood:
· Agreed with staff's recommendation.
· This is a very preliminary step in the process. There will be ample opportunity
for resident input.
Lemke: · Thanked the residents for coming forward.
· This action was initiated by City Council. The annexation has already taken
place.
· The Comprehensive Plan designates land for its future. By its definition it goes
out 20 years. It is important that someone new can go to the City government
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offices and find out what the 20 year plan is going to be. It would be a lie to tell
someone this property will be zoned "Agricultural" 20 years from now.
Support staff's recommendation.
Criego:
· Questioned staff on the Low - Medium density category. Is there anything lower
at the zoning level? Kansier said R1 is 3.6 units/acre.
· This issue has come up before. City Council and the Planning Commission needs
to address the designation. It is too wide and too broad. It basically allows a
maximum of 7.2 units per acre. This is an area developed for single family
housing, not multi-unit housing.
· Could this be discussed at a later time.
· Questioned Scott County's Comprehensive Plan designation of"Rural
Development". Kansier responded she did not have their information, probably 10
acres. The County's designation was to keep the property vacant until municipal
services are available.
· If a developer comes forward at a later time with a single family development he
would be in favor of support.
· Go forward with current designation.
Stamson: · Disagreed with Criego, this is not a change from the County. The County wanted
to keep thc land vacant until it could be brought into the City and more fully
developed.
· This land is an appropriate use would be Low Density development.
· Agreed with Criego when this goes to the zoning phase, will be looking for a low
density project on this site.
· Long term the guiding for this property should be Low Density housing.
MOTION BY RINGSTAD, SECOND BY ATWOOD, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL
OF AN AMENDMENT ADDING APPROXIMATELY 65 ACRES TO THE
COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AND DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY FOR
LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES.
Vote taken indicated ayes by all. MOTION CARRIED.
This recommendation will go before the City Council on January 6, 2003.
Atwood suggested future discussions on the Low-Medium density issue. Kansier said it
is in the budget proposal for 2003 to put funding into consultants to update our
Comprehensive Plan. Staff had hoped to get it this year, but was overwhelmed with
developments.
Stamson suggested trying to post the area when rezoning is brought forth.
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6. Old Business:
7. New Business:
8. Announcements and Correspondence:
There will a meeting scheduled for December 23, 2002.
9. Adjournment:
The meeting adjoumed at 7:58 p.m.
Jane Kansier
Planning Coordinator
Connie Carlson
Recording Secretary
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