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MINUTES OF THE LAKE ADVISORY COMMITTEE
April 21, 1999
I. CALL TO ORDER
The Lake Advisory Committee (LAC) was called to order on Wednesday, April 21, 1999,
at 6:35 p.m. Members present: Marianne Breitbach, Kate Haggerty, Tom Kearney, Roger
Soderstrom, Paul Trapp and Rick Warner. Members absent: Doug Larson. Others
present:
NAME
Lani Leichty
Pat Lynch
Dale Braddy
Dave Moran
Steve McComas
ORGANIZATION
City of Prior Lake
DNR Area Hydrologist
Prior Lake Association
PLSL Watershed District
Blue Water Science
II. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF MARCH 24,1999, MEETING MINUTES
MOTION BY BREITBACH, SECONDED BY TRAPP TO APPROVE THE MEETING
MINUTES OF MARCH 24, 1999. MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSL Y.
III. 1999 MILFOIL BUDGET
The next item of discussion was the 1999 milfoil budget. Leichty explained to the
committee what was done in 1998 and asked if they wanted similar items done again this
year.
There was discussion as to whether or not the lakeside demonstration project should be
held again for the fourth year in a row. Last year only 3-4 people showed up from the
public. Moran suggested that a kids poster contest be held to draw public attention to the
demonstration. Braddy suggested that a milfoil video be produced and given to each
lakeshore resident. Moran thought that a video similar in subject had already been made
by some public agency.
After further discussion the following motion was made:
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AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER
MOTION BY WARNER TO AMEND THE 1998 MILFOIL BUDGET FOR 1999 TO
ELlMINA TE THE LAKESHORE DEMONSTRA TION PROJECT AND KEEP THE MILFOIL
TREA TMENT AROUND THE OUTLET AND PUBLISH A NEW "WA TERWA TCH"
NEWSLETTER.
IV. COMPREHENSIVE LAKE MANAGEMENT PLAN (CLMP)
Kearney gave a short introduction of what the committee accomplished at the last meeting
and what the goals were for the evening. Leichty mentioned that defining objectives and
action steps for the first issue, shoreland management, was the main purpose of this
meeting.
There was considerable discussion about retaining walls below the ordinary high water
level (904.0 = OHWL) and what enforcement occurred by the DNR or City on walls that
existed below this elevation.
Kearney questioned what good all of the DNR rules and regulations were regarding
building retaining walls, etc., below the OHWL if there was no enforcement for infraction of
the rules.
Lynch mentioned that the DNR does not issue permits for retaining walls below the
OHWL. If someone has a permit to construct a wall from the DNR the permit should be
posted'in a visual location. There is a legal process where the DNR can delegate their
authority to the City, but it's all or nothing, the City cannot pick and choose which rules
they would want to regulate.
Trapp suggested that a shoreline inventory be done every couple of years in order to
verify who had built walls or done improvements below the OHWL without a permit.
Soderstrom suggested that once the shoreline inventory is complete that we publish a list
of residents with walls below the OHWL and try to encourage voluntary compliance.
The committee agreed unanimously that public education was very important with all of
the issues discussed. Monthly articles in the Prior Lake American could be published on
each issue along with the results of the shoreline inventory. Part of the public education
process should also be to make the public aware of the resources available to them such
as grant money from various agencies for shoreline stabilization projects.
Moran spoke of several aquascaping projects on Prior Lake a couple of years ago. The
projects were not very successful, mainly because availability of the proper type of plants
and contours of the shoreline and were not a good combination for this kind of design.
The following objectives and actions were recommended on a preliminary basis. After the
shoreline survey is complete the committee will re-evaluate the shoreline management
actions.
ISSUE: Shoreland Manaaement
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Obiectives:
1. Assist residents in stabilizing and maintaining natural shorelines.
2. Educate lakeshore owners on DNR and City lakeshore practices.
3. Assist DNR in preserving natural shoreline.
4. Inform lakeshore owners who have altered shoreline not within DNR regulations.
Action Steps:
A. Conduct shoreline inventory.
B. Distribute DNR pamphlet, The Water's Edge, to all lakeshore residents via a
volunteer group.
C. Notify lakeshore owners of shoreline inventory.
D. Educate lakeshore owners on rules and regulations from the DNR and City.
E. Educate lakeshore owners on erosion control.
F. Publicize lakeshore owners who have made adjustments for natural shorelines.
G. Provide names of shoreland consulting firms to lakeshore owner's.
H. Review City lot variance criteria.
I. Conduct annual lake surveys by the Lake Advisory Committee.
J. Publicize lake and water quality information in the Prior Lake American.
The shoreline inventory was discussed next. The question was brought up if home
owners were going to fill out the sheet assessing their own shoreline. The overall
consensus was no, in order to get a non-biased, consistent assessment the same
individual or group of individuals should conduct the inventory for the entire lakeshore.
The inventory sheet was amended to add the following items:
1) Date ,2) Inspected by:
4) Photo: Lot # , Photo #
6) General comments.
, 3) Walls/composite condition,
, 5) Evidence of recent shoreline modification,
MOTION BY HAGGERTY, SECONDED BY BREITBACH TO APPROVE THE AMENDED
SHORELINE INVENTORY AS DISCUSSED BY THE COMMITTEE. MOTION PASSED
UNA NIMO USL Y.
v. NEW BUSINESS
Braddy mentioned that two members of the Prior Lake Association attended a shoreline
volunteer workshop. They learned about alternative techniques for handling stormwater
runoff from streets, houses, etc.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION BY HAGGERTY, SECONDED BY WARNER TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
MOTION PASSED UNA NlMO USL Y. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:36 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Lanol Leichty
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1998 CITIZENS RESPONSE TO THE FOllOWING QUESTION:
(From the Lake Survey)
How could Surface Water Management of the lake be improved?
1) No speed limits on open water, no-wake only in the channels.
2) Law enforcement of the existing law.
3) More patrols.
4) Boat size restrictions; no more than 20', two hundred HP maximum. Max speed 35 mph.
5) Limit use of PWC's or allow only in certain areas.
6) Have a "normal" use, then a no-wake rotation to provide multiple enjoyment and not just
"use".
7) Don't close the winter access on the north end of the lake (Shady Beach Trail).
8) More patrol.
9) More education of all the public, not only the lake shore owners.
10) Write tickets, not warnings.
11) More Sheriff patrols and more no-wake days.
12) Impose no-wake rule on Mondays and Tuesdays of each week.
13) More patrolling for fast boats and careless operation.
14) Speed limit of 40 mph seven days a week.
15) Increase patrol, regulate number of watercraft on the lake, set hours for watercraft;
have 1 weekend per month be "no-wake', have ability to prohibit large-sized boats
from this lake as it's to small for huge boats!!
16) Current speed limits and no-wake zone is working well. Any further regulations will
adversely affect property values.
17) We don't need anymore laws or regulations. Don't reduce "no-wake" trigger level. Change
"no-wake" to "minimum wake" (5 mph), the result will be the same without the confusion.
18) No-wake level should be looked at, the above items should be considered, not how fast
we can go on the lake.
19) Enforce current ordinances, no further restrictions are needed if total watershed is
managed properly!
20) Fine more people that speed, abuse the 150 ft rule, make ice fisherman accountable
and clean lake before ice is off the lake.
21) One slow no-wake day per weekend. Restrict speed boats before 10 a.m., they make
more noise than PWC's.
22) Do nothing that encourages more boats on the lake (Le.; public access improvement, and
expanding the marina access). This lake is overused.
23) You have enough surface water regulations, educated and enforce what you have.
24) Large, clearly stated signs at all entrance points, marinas and other local merchants and
constant ads in the paper (provided free) listing laws and a locked box at all entry points
to encourage lake users to report boat description and license # of those breaking the law
with follow-up by law enforcement officers.
25) Keep lake levels lower than they have been. A few no-wake weekends each season.
26) It is important to remember that state statute dictates the responsibilities of controlling and
managing public bodies of water to the DNR, and tax payers do not want to pay for
duplication of services.
27) Controlled speeds, better enforcement of the laws, lower engine size on Spring and Prior.
28) Be more aggressive as far as tickets and fines for reckless operation of boats.
29) Lower lake level, enforce no-wake! Check boats for milfoil.
30) Reduce over-regulation.
31) Placing restrictions on wet jets regarding distances maintained between them and other
boats and the shore.
32) More effective monitoring of speed zones and no-wake zone, particularly during heavy lake
use time. But please, no more "laws".
33) Regulate the size of boat wakes.
34) July 4th, 1998 was great!! How about a quiet, no-wake, old fashioned 4th every year!
35) How do you regulate personal watercraft from a continuos back-and-forth pattern in front of
your home?
36) Sheriff should watch the lake more.
37) Speed limit and eliminate larger than 26' boats.
38) More patrol.
39) Continued education for all boat owners/jet ski owners. Respect the lake, be careful of those
using the lake.
40) Better enforcement of current laws, including enforcing lakeshore owners and especially
teens and young adults.
41) Enforce existing law and regulations and don't just pass new ordinances.
42) I believe most of the regulations that are current are adequate. There needs to be a decibel
reader for some of the bigger boats.
43) Enforce existing law and regulations and don't just pass new ordinances.
44) Sound quality! One big "cigar" banana boat makes more noise than 10 regular boats. Also
enforce jet ski's distance from shore and time in one place - staying in a bay for hours.
45) Regulate size of boat wakes.
46) More effective monitoring of speed zones and no wake zones - particularly during heavy lake
use times. (But, please - no more "laws".)
47) Placing restrictions on wet jets regarding distances maintained between them and other
boats and the shore.
48) Reduce over-regulation.
49) Lower lake level, enforce now wake! Check boats for milfoil.
50) Be more aggressive as far as tickets and fines for reckless operation of boats.
51) Control the lake level - Le. set a lower standard like 900-901 to leave room for heavy
rains/runoff.
52) Controlled speeds, better enforcement of laws. Lower engine size on both lakes - Spring &
Prior.
53) Keep lake levels lower than they have been. A few, no-wake week ends each season.
54) You have enough surface water regulations - educate and enforce what you have.
55) Do nothing that encourages more boats on the lake (public access improvement, and
expanding marina access) this lake is over used.
56) 1) One slow no-wake day per weekend. 2) Restrict speed boats before 10 am (they make
more noise than personal watercraft).
57) No more restrictions, state and local laws are adequate.
58) Fine more people that speed, abuse the 150 foot rule, make ice fishermen accountable and
clean lake before ice is off the lake.
59) Enforce current ordinances - no further restrictions are needed.
60) 1) 200' no-wake ordinance on entire lake (200 'from shoreline) 2) speed limit summer/winter.
61) Lower no-wake to 903.5.
62) Limit speeds - on weekends.
63) OK as is.
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64) Allow no speed limits on open water. No-wake is good in the channels, but not in the open
areas.
65) My first priority is safety, my second is recreation. I. Safety (A) Advise lakeshore owners to
place their no-wake buoys at 150'. Boaters use these as a guideline and create too many
waves if not at least 150' from shore. Then also come too close to swimming. (B) Offer
water safety course for adults too. (Teens seem to get the course each summer, adults new
to lake recreation can be educated too.) (C) Enforce existing regulations and
publish/establish a mechanism for people to report violators. I have watched skiers straddle
private no-wake buoys for fun. Of course, PWC's are frequently in violation of the new rules
as well. (D) I am not sure if a 150' no-wake zone (from shore) is adequate to address
erosion. Waves breaking on shore from a boat 150' out are still significantly bigger than
anything mother nature sent in during this summer's total no-wake period. Even on the
windiest days, the waves were tolerable. II Recreation (A) I really enjoyed watching non-
motorized recreation boom during the total no-wake period this summer. Finally people
could drag out canoes, sailboats, windsurfers, rafts, etc. Without fear of being run over by a
cigarette boat or swamped by waves. It was great to see people actually swimming and
families with pontoon boats setting up shop. I would love to see 12 no-wake days EVERY
summer regardless of lake level. How about every Sunday? I'd settle for as many as we
could get! (B) A few inept boaters (or PWC ers) can ruin a fun day for us all. I would like to
see additional coves made into no-wake coves - not just Candy. It's obvious people enjoy
and make use of such areas. Let's make more!
66) Speed limit 40 mph all the time like 150' no-wake law.
67) Limit craft size and number on lake at one time.
68) Speed limits.
69) Outlaw venting exhaust above water. Big Baja and Chris Crafts try to make noise - boys with
toys vs. family boaters.
70) Enforce the existing "water management" we have now.
71) More consistent enforcement, consideration of designating two week-end days a month as
no-wake days.
72) More sheriff's patrols.
73) No jet skis allowed before 12 noon or after 6 p.m. - no waves or wake on all bays of lake.
74) More patrol boats and more enforcement of laws. Require license or education for all boat
owners.
75) Control number of boats using public accesses beyond the pre-determined limit.
76) More posting of regulations and enforcement - education of lake surface users - USCB AUX
or US Power Squadron Boating courses.
77) Establish benefits (based on factual data) of 'no-wake' at lower lake levels, manage noise
from jet skis and jet boats, increase patrol by sheriff and DNR with more citations.
78) Doesn't need to, enforcement of existing laws is all it takes.
79) Low speed limits no-wake on weekends.
80) More enforcement of no-wake and speed limit.
81) Restrict personal water craft. Limit all motors on boats to 35 horsepower or less.
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