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HomeMy WebLinkAbout06/21/94 LAKE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES June 21, 1994 On June 21, 1994, at 5:30 p.m. at City Hall, the Lake Advisory Committee held a special meeting to discuss violations of the new Surface Water Ordinance and how to remedy the problems. Members in attendance were: Chair Jody Stroh, Bill Packer, Pete Patchin, and Tom Watkins. Members absent were John Wingard. City staff present was Water Resources Coordinator Lani Leichty. Also present were Sheriffs Deputy John Grover and Prior Lake American Editor Jim Riccioli. The main issue discussed concerning violations was that of boat traffic exiting bays and crossing into the main stream of boaters on open water. Members felt that the slow no-wake zone needed to be enforced with buoys around bay inlets that were potential safety problems. Deputy John Grover stated that residents had a right under the ordinance to launch or land a water device by the most safe route to open water and were exempt from the slow no-wake zone. He did say that if adjacent residents to a bay/inlet gave him permission, foregoing there lights to launch/land within the inlet area from their property, then he would post the area with buoys as a slow no-wake zone. Tom Watkins felt that the Sheriffs Department should have more authority in the placement of slow no-wake buoys for safety and other concerns. Mr. Watkins wrote a quick paragraph that would amend the Surface Water Ordinance, Section 9-3-4-(A), which, if adopted, would give the Sheriff authority to establish the safe access zones. The LAC felt that it would be wOlthwhile to go through all the proper channels again to see the ordinance amended. Leichty told the committee that he would pass on this infonnation to City Manager Frank Boyles. Mr. Riccioli agreed to print an article for the July 4th weekend reminding residents of the new ordinance. The meeting adjourned at approximately 7:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted, ~r(~ Lanol L. Leichty Recording Secretary LACM6A.ENG 4629 Dakota St. S.E., Prior Lake, Minnesota 55372-1714 / Ph. (612) 447-4230 / Fax (612) 447-4245 AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER LAKE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES June 21, 1994 On June 21, 1994, at 5:30 p.m. at City Hall, the Lake Advisory Committee held a special meeting to discuss violations of the new Surface Water Ordinance and how to remedy the problems. Members in attendance were: Chair Jody Su'oh, Bill Packer, Pete Patchin, and Tom Watkins. Members absent were John Wingard. City staff present was Water Resources Coordinator Lani Leichty. Also present were Sheriffs Deputy John Grover and Prior Lake American Editor Jim Riccioli. The main issue discussed concerning violations was that of boat u'affic exiting bays and crossing into the main stream of boaters on open water. Members felt that the slow no-wake zone needed to be enforced with buoys around bay inlets that were potential safety problems. Deputy John Grover stated that residents had a right under the ordinance to launch or land a water device by the most safe route to open water and were exempt from the slow no-wake zone. He did say that if adjacent residents to a bay/inlet gave him permission, foregoing there rights to launch/land within the inlet area from their property, then he would post the area with buoys as asia......' no-wake zone. Tom Watkins felt that the Sheliffs Department should have more authority in the placement of slow no-wake buoys for safety and other concerns. Mr. Watkins wrote a quick paragraph that would amend the SUlface Water Ordinance, Section 9-3-4-(A), which, if adopted, would give the Sheriff authority to establish the safe access zones. The LAC felt that it would be wOlthwhile to go through all the proper channels again to see the ordinance amended. Leichty told the committee that he would pass on this infolmation to City Manager Frank Boyles. Mr. Riccioli agreed to print an article for the July 4th weekend reminding residents of the new ordinance. The meeting adjourned at approximately 7:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted, ~{~ Lanol L. Leichty Recording Secretary L.4CM6A.ENG 4629 Dakota St. S.E., Prior Lake, Minnesota 55372-1714 / Ph. (612) 447-4230 / Fax (612) 447-4245 AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER ,..-... ",-- LAKE ADVISORY COMMITTEE 7/20/94 SCENIC OVERLOOK - Minimum criteria size 40-50 feet wide - Access should have boundaries defined - Le. split rail fence - Limit access - pedestrian - canoes - No docks - unless City fishing pier - No swimming - Posted hours - closed 11 P.M. to 6 A.M. How Many Needed - Liability - Maintenance - Location to other accesses and number of property owners. - Location to trails and parks. WINTER ACCESS - Ice fishing access - Snowmobile access - No boat/water craft launching - Controlled by gate - Hours - closed 11 P.M. to 6 A.M. - Consider court action to establish legal rights Potential Locations - Shady Beach - Lords Street - Sand Point/Public Access - West Avenue - Dewitte Avenue - Terrace Circle LACOUTENG Memorandum "lac To: From: Lake Advisory Committee Lanol Leichty, Water Resources Coordinator Re: Date: lake Access Study July 20, 1994 The following is an inventory of accesses to be used in the study to be given to City Council to determine which should be considered as "long term" accesses and which should be closed or otherwise restricted. The suggested designations are as follows: DNA Public Access, Scenic Overlook, Winter Access, vacate the access. 1) Lot 3 - Sunset Trail City owned lot which has a storm sewer line running through the middle of it. The sewer outlets 10 ft. from the waters edge. No parking is available. A 1 to 2 course retaining wall exists along the waters edge of the property. The land has a gradual slope and is mowed. Suggested Classification: Scenic Overlook; provide a split rail fence on both sides to define property boundaries. Sale 10ft of south side of lot 3 back to the property owner (Verify situation). Vacate the waterfront property on the Sunset Shore subdivision. COMMENTS: 2) Lime Road - South The channel between Spring lake and Upper Prior lake runs through the property. Apple trees and evergreens have been planted. No parking is available, unless parked on Lime Ad. There is a street light 10ft. west of the Lime Ad. centerline on the south side of Spring lake Ad. Suggested Classification: Vacate the property. COMMENTS: 3) Terrace Circle - South Posted "Absolutely No Boat launching" along with a sno-mobile sign with a slash through it. Flat graded gravel road to the lake. No parking available. Suggested Classification: Seasonal Access LAKE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES June 21, 1994 On June 21, 1994, at 5:30 p.m. at City Hall, the Lake Advisory Committee held a special meeting to discuss violations of the new Surface Water Ordinance and how to remedy the problems. Members in attendance were: Chair Jody Stroh, Bill Packer, Pete Patchin, and Tom Watkins. Members absent were John Wingard. City staff present was Water Resources Coordinator Lani Leichty. Also present were Sheriffs Deputy John Grover and Prior Lake American Editor Jim Riccioli. The main issue discussed concerning violations was that of boat traffic exiting bays and crossing into the main stream of boaters on open water. Members felt that the slow no-wake zone needed to be enforced with buoys around bay inlets that were potential safety problems. Deputy John Grover stated that residents had a right under the ordinance to launch or land a water device by the most safe route to open water and were exempt from the slow no-wake zone. He did say that if adjacent residents to a bay/inlet gave him permission, foregoing there rights to launch/land within the inlet area from their property, then he would post the area with buoys as a slow no-wake zone. Tom Watkins felt that the Sheriffs Department should have more authority in the placement of slow no-wake buoys for safety and other concerns. Mr. Watkins wrote a quick paragraph that would amend the Surface Water Ordinance, Section 9-3-4-(A), which, if adopted, would give the Sheriff authority to establish the safe access zones. The LAC felt that it would be wOlthwhile to go through all the proper channels again to see the ordinance amended. Leichty told the committee that he would pass on this infOlmation to City Manager Frank Boyles. Mr. Riccioli agreed to print an article for the July 4th weekend reminding residents of the new ordinance. The meeting adjourned at approximately 7:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted, ~~ Lanol L. Leichty Recording Secretary LACM6A.ENG 4629 Dakota St. S.E., Prior Lake, Minnesota 55372-1714 / Ph. (612) 447-4230 / Fax (612) 447-4245 AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER LAKE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES June 21, 1994 On June 21, 1994, at 5:30 p.m. at City Hall, the Lake Advisory Committee held a special meeting to discuss violations of the new Surface Water Ordinance and how to remedy the problems. Members in attendance were: Chair Jody Su'oh, Bill Packer, Pete Patchin, and Tom Watkins. Members absent were John Wingard. City staff present was Water Resources Coordinator Lani Leichty. Also present were Sheriffs Deputy John Grover and Prior Lake American Editor Jim Riccioli. The main issue discussed concerning violations was that of boat u'affic exiting bays and crossing into the main stream of boaters on open water. Members felt that the slow no-wake zone needed to be enforced with buoys around bay inlets that were potential safety problems. Deputy John Grover stated that residents had a right under the ordinance to launch or land a water device by the most safe route to open water and were exempt from the slow no-wake zone. He did say that if adjacent residents to a bay/inlet gave him permission, foregoing there lights to launch/land within the inlet area from their property, then he would post the area with buoys as a slo...\' no-wake zone. Tom Watkins felt that the Sheliffs Department should have more authority in the placement of slow no-wake buoys for safety and other concerns. Mr. Watkins wrote a quick paragraph that would amend the Smface Water Ordinance, Section 9-3-4-(A), which, if adopted, would give the Sheriff authority to establish the safe access zones. The LAC felt that it would be wOlthwhile to go through all the proper channels again to see the ordinance amended. Leichty told the committee that he would pass on this infOlmation to City Manager Frank Boyles. Mr. Riccioli agreed to print an article for the July 4th weekend reminding residents of the new ordinance. The meeting adjourned at approximately 7:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted, ~~ Lanol L. Leichty Recording Secretary LACM6A.ENG 4629 Dakota St. S.E., Prior Lake, Minnesota 55372-1714 / Ph. (612) 447-4230 / Fax (612) 447-4245 AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER r---- LAKE ADVISORY COMMITTEE 7/20/94 SCENIC OVERLOOK - Minimum criteria size 40-50 feet wide - Access should have boundaries defined - Le. split rail fence - Limit access - pedestrian - canoes - No docks - unless City fishing pier - No swimming - Posted hours - closed 11 P.M. to 6 A.M. How Many Needed - Liability - Maintenance - Location to other accesses and number of property owners. - Location to trails and parks. WINTER ACCESS - Ice fishing access - Snowmobile access - No boat/water craft launching - Controlled by gate - Hours - closed 11 P.M. to 6 A.M. - Consider court action to establish legal rights Potential Locations - Shady Beach - Lords Street - Sand Point/Public Access - West Avenue - Dewitte Avenue - Terrace Circle LACOUT.ENG COMMENTS: 4) Eighth Street Property has a storm sewer line running through it to the lake. No parking available, except on Center Road. Property is fully wooded. There are two vacant lots to the east. A mowed trail meanders through the property to the lake. Suggested Classification: Scenic Overlook or vacate the property while retaining a utility easement for the storm sewer. A trailway could maintained down to the lake with picnic tables or a gazebo if the Scenic Overlook classification is chosen. COMMENTS: 5) Seventh Street Street easement between house no's 2906 and 2940. There is private platted property behind homes 2940 and 2952. A curb opening exists with a dirt lane which goes through the woods. No street lights exist. Parking is available on Center Rd. Suggested Classification: Remain as is. Access will be need to be maintained if the property near the lake is ever developed. COMMENTS: 6) Terrace Circle - North Terrace Circle roadway easement extends from the end of the cul-de-sac to the lake. The two adjacent neighbors mow the grass on the property. Side street parking is available on the half block of Terrace Circle. No street lighting exists. A fire hydrant exists at the cul-de-sac end along with a catch basin which outlets at the lake shoreline. Suggested Classification: Scenic overlook or vacate the property and retain a utility easement for the storm sewer. COMMENTS: 7) Lime Road - North Curb and gutter ends at the cemetery entrance. The cemetery is on the east side of the property. No street lights exist. There is a shed (owners to the west) sitting on the north end of the property. Suggested Classification: Scenic overlook or vacate the west 1/2 of the roadway easement. COMMENTS: 8) Monroe Ave. & Kent St. Public property is at the northwest intersection of these two streets. The streets are posted "No Parking". There is no street lighting. A gravel path leads down off the road to the shoreline. There is a dock and a boat lift next to it in the water which appear to be private property. Suggested Classification: Scenic Overlook COMMENTS: 9) West Ave. Street dead ends with a gate crossing which is locked. The road is paved down to the water. The street is posted "No Parking". No street lighting exists. The gate is painted diagonally orange and white. Suggested Classification: Seasonal Access COMMENTS: 10) Quaker Trail Street ends with a 90 degree bend to the south. There is approximately a 30 ft. strip of grass between the pavement and the water to the south. On the east side there is a 5 ft wide strip of land before it drops 4 ft to the water. The area is mowed by the adjacent owner. A boat lift has been placed in the water which is probably the adjacent property owners. No street lighting exists and parking is restricted due to limited amount of space in the area. Suggested Classification: Scenic Overlook COMMENTS: 11) Lords Street Access This access has been used historically in the past to gain access to the lake. The street is posted "No Parking" and there is no street lighting. A gravel drive exists on the north side of the road which has a dead tree blocking the access. A letter dated April 5, 1994 from Frank Boyles was written to Walter Jobst the neighborhood representative of the access at the time. The letter outlined a tentative agreement on the use of the access, which basically restricted it to winter usage. Since that time the property has been purchased by David Hunt. Suggested Classification: Seasonal Access COMMENTS: 12) Pine Road Paved road down to the watersedge with a chain across the road and a sign saying "Private Property". It is also posted with two other signs reading "No Public Lake Access" and "No Parking". There is no street lighting. Suggested Classification: Vacate the roadway easement and retain the utility easement. COMMENTS: 13) Sand Pointe Beach Access This is a DNR public access. There are 15 parking spaces in the east lot and 13 spaces in the west lot for a total of 28. Suggested Classification: Remain as is, DNR Public Access. Possibly make this the winter access also instead of the paved trail to the east in the park. There may have been an agreement with the DNR that winter access would not be allowed at this access. COMMENTS: 14) Winter Access at Sand Pointe Beach At the entrance to the paved road leading down to the lake is a double swing gate and two signs which read "No Motorized Vehicles Allowed". There is no lighting, but ample parking in the gravel parking lot. Suggested Classification: Emergency Access only. Move winter access over to the DNR Public Access. COMMENTS: 15) Shady Beach 2nd Roadway easement platted off of Shady Beach Trail. A portion of the property is wooded with driftwood and garbage in this area. The property owner to the west mows up to the tree line. There is no street lighting. Suggested Classification: Scenic Overlook or vacate. COMMENTS: 16) Shady Beach (Sportsman's Access) Gravel lane leading down to the lake. Posted "Residential Neighborhood - Please Reduce Noise and Litter - Beach Lane Closed Daily From 11 PM - 6 AM Thankyou - Prior Lake Sportsmen Club - City of Prior Lake". Posted "No Parking". There are no street lights. The area is delineated with wood posts and cable for the length of the lane. Suggested Classification: Remain as is, Seasonal Access. COMMENTS: 17) Watersedge Trail (Boudins Manor 2nd) Cul-de-sac on the north and south sides of the channel leading to bay next to Boudins Manor. Posted "No Parking with no street lighting. The land between the pavement and the water is approximately 5 ft. wide and wooded. There are slow-no wake buoys in the channel. -- Suggested Classification: Seasonal Overlook COMMENTS: 18) Cove Ave (Kneafsey's Cove) Road is paved to within 25 ft of the waters edge and is posted "No Parking". There is one street light. Residents stated that in the winter snow plows push snow to the end of the driveway blocking access to the lake. Some fishermen use the access in the winter when it is open. Suggested Classification: Scenic overlook or vacate the waterfront back to the lot owners of Kneafsey Cove and maintain the public roadway; post the road "No Public Access". COMMENTS: 19) Flint Road (Maves First lake Addn.) Road is posted "Private Drive No Thru Street" and "Dead End". No parking is available and no street lights exist. There is a fire hydrant at the end of the drive. From the end of the pavement to the shoreline there is approximately 100 ft of grass that is maintained by the adjacent home owners. At the shoreline there is a rock and a wood retaining wall. Suggested Classification: Remain as is, Private Drive. Vacate the waterfront back to the lot owners of Maves First Lake Addn. COMMENTS: 20) lot 34 of Red Oaks Lot 34 of Red Oaks was dedicated to the public in the original plat along with the waterfront. Suggested Classification: Vacate Lot 34 and remaining waterfront that hasn't been vacated. COMMENTS: