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*PLEASE REVIEW FOR MEETING OF 11/12/91*
PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
AGENDA
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 1991
COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CITY HALL - 7:00-9:00 P.M.
1. Call to order
2. Minutes from meeting of 10/14/91
3. Staff Reports
A. Director of Parks and Recreation
4. New Business
A. Discussion and recommendation on Franklin Trail
bike/hike trail. Please review the attached
memorandum from the information meeting held on
October 24, 1991.
B. Review and discussion on proposed non-resident fees
for Parks and Recreation activities. Please review
the memorandum to City Manager Unmacht regarding
this matter. This is the first review of this
proposed policy.
5. Old Business
A. Ribbon cutting for new trails in Lakefront Park
6. Set next meeting date
A. Next scheduled meeting would be Monday, December 9.
Reminder about City Christmas
Downs on Saturday, December 7.
by Friday, November 29.
7. Adjourn the meeting
B.
Party at Canterbury
Registrations due in
**PLEASE---CALL TO CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE!!**
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PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MINUTES
OCTOBER 14, 1991
The Parks Advisory Committee meeting was called to order by
Vice Chairman, Art Schoot at 7:02 p.m. on Monday, October 14,
1991. Those present were Kathe Abrams, Tony Anderson, Ron
Ceminsky, Art Schoot, Kathy smith, Al Friedges, Parks supervisor,
Fiona Keel, Program Specialist and Bill Mangan, Director of Parks
& Recreation. Members absent were Doug Berens, Pat Heaney and
Dan Wehrs.
The minutes from the August 12, 1991 meeting were reviewed.
TONY ANDERSON MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. RON CEMINSKY
SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED.
Bill Mangan reported on the informational meeting that was held
on Thursday, October 10, 1991 for the Franklin Trail homeowners
concerning the proposed trail development on the east side.
There were 25 people in attendance of which 50% of the homeowners
were not in favor of the trail at all and no one wanted the trail
on the east side. The reasons given were that this would 1)
increase vandalism, 2) snowmobiles would be running on them and
3) garbage would be left.
Bill Mangan indicated that another informational meeting would
need to be held for homeowners and residents living on the west
side of Franklin Trail. This meeting will inform residents that
there will be a trail on Franklin Trail & County Road 44 based
upon the comprehensive trail system, Council and Parks Advisory
Committee action. This project will be at City costs but the
location has not yet been determined. If this is not agreeable,
the residents would need a petition to change the format and this
would need to be reviewed by the Parks Advisory Committee and
recommendations passed onto the Council for their action.
Discussion followed to see what could be done to convince these
homeowners of the advantages of having this trail; pointing out
the priorities based on the survey regarding safe access through
bike/hike trails to various areas of the city, including the
schools, is necessary for Franklin Trail.
Art Schoot sU9gested looking into how neighboring communities
have handled thlS type of situation.
Kathe Abrams felt that senior citizens input would be very
beneficial.
Ron Ceminsky suggested that the homeowners/residents on Fish
Point Road be contacted to ask for their comments regarding the
trail on Fish Point Road; hopefully to support the Franklin Trail
project.
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Fiona Keel reported on the Fall Program. The dance program, the
largest program, has increased from 189 students in 1990-91 to
201 students this year. In addition to the regular dance classes
bein9 offered, there are three ballet classes, one kickline
conslsting of 16 girls, an adult tap class and a pre-dance class
this year. An adult ballet class may be added also. Fiona also
updated the committee on the various pr09rams/activities
available this fall which included the Pumpkin Palnting & Costume
Contest being held in conjunction with some centennial committee
activities, the Door County trip sponsored by Sunshine Travel in
which five participated from Prior Lake, the Skateville & Airport
trips which will be held over MEA, plus the craft classes and
adult trips. In addition, adult tennis Lessons were offered this
Fall. Outdoor ice skating lessons will be offered this winter
provided an instructor is found.
Al Friedges updated the Committee on the new trail at Lakefront
Park. The blacktopped trails are in. Black dirt will be
feathered in and seeding will be done along both sides of the
trail this fall. The department also plans to prune the mature
maple & oak trees at Lakefront Park in order to strengthen them
and extend their life expectancy. Al also updated the committee
on the Parks nursery/greenhouse. From the 1989 propagation,
approximately 2000 shrubs have been moved to various sites; those
including Raspberry Ridge and Sand Point Beach. From the 1990
propagation, 1116 shrubs were recently moved into the nursery
from the greenhouse. In 1991, 2046.00 shrubs were propagated and
220 ground covers. 210 trees are to be moved out of the nursery
this fall and 460 trees to be moved into the nursery. Also,
another project is a retaining wall at Sand Point Beach to be
built along one of the trails.
Kathy Smith commented on the conditions of the soccer fields; she
felt that mowing is never done and the lining of the fields have
not held up.
Al Friedges indicated that mowing records have been kept and
indicated that the soccer fields were cut with the same schedule
and consideration as baseball. He did admit that last spring
fields were hard to keep up because of the weather conditions and
shortage of staff.
Kathy Smith felt that some arrangement should be worked out so
that these fields can be kept up.
Some discussion followed regarding the seeding of grass and type
of 9rass that needs to be used, and also the care that needs to
be glven in how and when the grass is cut in order to maintain it
the way it needs to be.
Parks Advisory Committee Minutes of October 14, 1991 - Page 3
Bill Mangan asked Kathy Smith to have Dave Phillips, President of
the Soccer Association, contact him regarding the conditions of
the fields at Lakefront Park. Supposedly, John Cook had
contacted someone at City Hall, but neither Bill nor Al have
talked to him except for the location of the fields at the
beginning of the season.
The blacktopping bid was given to Prior Lake Blacktop of $69,800;
however, $2,000 will be spent over the $75,000 budgeted because
of extra pipe material that was needed.
Bill Mangan indicated that the tentative date for the
cutting ceremony for the trails at Lakefront Park is
November 4th at 6:30 p.m., and encouraged the attendance
Parks Advisory Committee members.
The next discussion concerned the Parks budget cut.
Bill Mangan indicated that on September 15, 1991 five people were
layed off and one more will be on November 1st. Seasonal help
usually goes until mid October and some help through December.
But, because the revenues are down this year, the Parks
Department had to come in at 98% of the budget which meant that
the Parks Department had to come up with $35,000 in savings.
ribbon
Monday,
of the
Art Schoot asked why the revenues are down this year.
Bill Mangan indicated that building permits are down and revenues
at Sand Point Beach were down this year. $20,000 had been
projected as revenue and $17,000 was actually received; grossed
$6,000 rather than $7,500. He stated that salaries and levy
limits are frozen and there will be no hiring of permanent full
time positions in 1992. Supposedly, levy limits will be lifted
in 1993. It is very probable of a cut back in services and a
need to charge for week-end tournaments.
Discussion followed on the Grainwood acquisition.
Bill Mangan stated that this all started with a letter that Horst
Graser received from Bill McDonald around July 20, 1991 proposing
the sale of a parcel to the City. Dave Unmacht, Horst Graser and
Bill Mangan met and discussed the possibility of a grant. It has
been identified in the Prior Lake Comprehensive Plan and the
Parks Comprehensive Plan as a necessary site to be looked at if
it ever became available to the public. September 1, 1991 is the
deadline for the submission of grant materials. A public hearing
was published in the paper and the hearing was held on August 29,
1991. The appraisal came in at $290,000 as opposed to $250,000.
If the grant funding is successful, the grant fund should fund
about 50% of the appraised value which is $145,000. Bill
McDonald will give a gift to the city of $100,000 and also
indicated in his letter that his asking price is $245,000. It
could cost the City up to $45,000 for the acquisition.
Parks Advisory Committee Minutes of October 14, 1991 - Page 4
A recommendation is needed from the Parks Advisory Committee
whether or not it is felt that this is an important acquisition
segment for the parks system prior to receiving grant funding.
If it is an important ac~isition, should we proceed with trying
to acquire the property wlth grant funding or, if there is no
grant funding, than not proceed based upon the selling price. A
public hearing would be held after the acquisition to determine
the use of the property.
The Committee had some discussion as to the location, the use of
the property, historical significance, and the probability of
receiving a grant.
We should receive a preliminary notice of 9rant funding
first week of December. Formal notiflcation is in
1992. The project would be completed within the same
notification.
by the
February,
year of
KATHY SMITH MADE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT
THE GRAINWOOD CROSSING PARCEL BECOME PART OF THE CITY PARK SYSTEM
FOR THREE REASONS: 1) THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PARCEL, 2) THE
HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PARCEL AND 3) THE AVAILABILITY OF
A GIFT FROM WILLIAM MCDONALD TO BE APPLIED TOWARDS THE PURCHASE.
THE COMMITTEE RECOGNIZES THAT THE ONLY WAY THIS PARCEL COULD BE
ACQUIRED IS IF GRANT FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE FOR ACQUISITION.
IF GRANT FUNDING IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR ACQUISITION, FURTHER
RESEARCH WILL NEED TO BE DONE TO SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.
KATHE ABRAMS SECONDED THE ABOVE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED.
There was some discussion about the next months meeting date of
November 11th which is Veterans Day. It was mutually agreed by
those present to set the next meeting date for Tuesday, November
12, 1991 at 7:00 p.m.
RON CEMINSKY MADE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. KATHY ABRAMS
SECONDED THE MOTION.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:15 p.m.
Bill Mangan
Director of Parks & Recreation Department
Nancy McGill
Recording Secretary
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MEMORANDUM
TO:
FROM:
RE:
DATE:
DAVE UNMACHT, CITY MANAGER
BILL MANGAN, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
RESULTS OF INFORMATION MEETING WITH RESIDENTS
FRANKLIN TRAIL
OCTOBER 30, 1991
OF
On Thursday, October 24, Bruce Loney and myself met with the
residents who live along Franklin Trail concerning trail
development on Franklin Trail for 1992. There were 21 residents
who attended the meeting to voice their opinions regarding type
of trail, which side, location of the trail, and relocating the
trail.
The results of the meeting were three-fold:
1. The people were unanimous in not wantin9 an eight-foot wide,
asphalt trail running through their nelghborhood. There was
a lot of discussion about putting a sidewalk in with striping
on the street for bicycles. A strong majority of those in
attendance did not object to a 5' concrete sidewalk.
2. All of the residents requested that the trail be moved to
Highway 13 incorporating the wetlands east of Highway 13 as
the link from C.R. 39 north to C.R. 21. The reason for their
request is that they feel we should be limitin9 traffic
throu9h their neighborhood as opposed to bringlng more
trafflC in via a trail system.
3. There was strong opposition to putting the trail on the east
side of C.R. 39. Most of the people in attendance lived on
the east side and they would prefer a trail to be on the west
side of C.R. 39 where most of the housing is rental.
As a result of this meeting, I will be following up on this
project with Bruce Loney and keeping three representatives of the
neighborhoods informed as to the process (PAC meetings and city
Council meetings). My three contact people are:
Nate Girard
Pat Senftner
Ed Beuch
16190 Franklin Trail SE
16361 Franklin Trail SE
16475 Franklin Trail SE
Dave, I am confident that we can accomplish the task of
providing a safe link for hiking/biking based on the
Comprehensive Trail Plan that has been approved. The particulars
of that safe link can be worked out with the residents as to
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location and type of trail. For now, the residents have been
informed of what we are trying to do and they have an
understandin~ of the proposed project when the~ see the surveyors
out there thls fall to start desi~ning the proJect.
I will remain in touch wlth the three contact people
regarding upcoming Parks Advisorr Committee meetings that they
may want to attend as well as actlon taken by the PAC. In
addition, I will inform them of the recommended action of the PAC
to the City Council and when that might be on the Council agenda
for discussion.
If you have any questions or comments regarding this issue,
please let me know.
Thank you.
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MEMORANDUM
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DAVE UNMACHT, CITY MANAGER
BILL MANGAN, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION
INITIATING NON-RESIDENT FEES FOR PARKS AND RECREATION
PROGRAMS
NOVEMBER 1, 1991
DATE:
Dave, the basis of my research was to determine the amount of
revenue that could be generated if the City of Prior Lake were to
institute non-resident fees for Parks and Recreation s~onsored
programs. There were several classifications of activitles that
this would include and they are listed as follows:
YOUTH ATHLETICS
DANCE PROGRAM
TINY TOT PROGRAM
YOUTH TRIPS
PICNIC RESERVATIONS
ADULT ATHLETICS
SUMMER PLAYGROUND
ADULT TRIPS
CRAFT CLASSES
RECREATION PROGRAMS
I will lay this out so that each area can be analyzed for
better reference. I will make some assumptions based on
percentage of non-resident participants and also provide ranges
based on a conservative estimate and a liberal estimate. These
have to be assumptions since I don't have rosters in which to
verify residency. In addition, I have assumed a $5 non-resident
fee per individual per program.
PROGRAM
Youth athletics
Adult athletics
Dance program
Summer Playground
Tiny Tot program
Adult trips
Youth trips
Craft classes
picnic res. ($25)
Misc. proqrams
TOTALS
# PARTICIPANTS
3,000
800
200
250
200
500
350
100
100
300
6,000
DOLLARS
30% NR
$4,500
1,200
300
375
300
750
525
150
750
450
$ 9,300
GENERATED
40%NR
$6,000
1,600
400
500
400
1,000
700
200
1,000
600
$12,400
Dave, of the communities that I contacted, all were in the
$5-$10 range for non-resident fees. The only exception was the
City of Shakopee which charges the adjacent townships on a
lump-sum basis annually based on registrants in their pro~rams.
Shakopee does, however, charge $5 non-resident fee for resldents
outside of the city and townships.
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Dave, in addition to the non-resident fees as described
above, we also have in place a fee structure for use of fields
for tournaments. Any athletic facility that is used for
tournament play is charged $25 per field per day. A tournament
at the Pond, for example, using 6 fields on Saturday and 4 on
Sunday would be charged $250. This policy has been in effect
since 1980 and it generates approximately $1000 annually.
So, these are the rough numbers. I realize that initiating
this policy is going to create a lot of noise from the residents
of Spring Lake and Credit River. However, we both understand
that we are not in the business of providing facilities for those
townships at no cost.
If you have comments or concerns, please discuss them with me
at your convenience. Thank you.