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PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
AGENDA
MONDAY. OCTOBER 12.1998
PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING
MAINTENANCE CENTER
6:30 P.M.
1. Call to order
2. Minutes from meetings of August 10 and September 16
3. Presentations
a) Barry Stock, Prior Lake Soccer Club
4. Staff Reports
a) Paul Hokeness, Director of Parks and Recreation
1) Ponds Project Update
2) Memorial Park
3) Library Update
4) Lakefront Park Update
5) Land Search Update
b) Chris Esser, Recreation Supervisor
1) Dance Program
2) Fall Programs
3) Clean-Up Day
5. Old Business
6. New Business
a) Review and Recommend Changes to Bylaws
7. Set Next Meeting Date - Scheduled for Monday, November 9, 1998
8. Adjourn Meeting
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AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER
PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MINUTES
September 16, 1998
The Parks Advisory Committee Special Meeting was called to order by Ron Ceminsky at 6:33 p.m. on
Wednesday, September 16, 1998. Members present were Chair, Ron Ceminsky, Thea Pluhrer, Bob
Rykken, Pat Heaney and Tom Reddinger. Members absent were Tom Schutz and Kathy Smith. City
Council members present included Jim Petersen and the Mayor, Wes Mader. Staff members present
were Paul Hokeness, Director of Parks and Recreation and Nancy McGill, Parks and Recreation
Secretary. Leanne Schutz from the Prior Lake American and members of the Menden family were also
present.
The purpose of this Special Parks Advisory Committee Meeting was for discussion with the Menden
family as to why the Menden farm was chosen for the community park athletic complex. This was a
special request by Francis Menden.
Ron Ceminsky welcomed everyone to the meeting and indicated how the meeting would be conducted.
Steve Menden introduced himself and introduced family members present. Family members present
included Steve Menden, Rose Bauer, Delores Menden, Sharon Walters, Bonnie Menden, Pritz Menden,
Robert Menden, Roxann Menden, Randy Walters, Mark Menden, Kevin Menden, Barb Bueggeman and
Larry Bueggeman.
The Committee and Staff members introduced themselves
Steven Menden asked the Committee to explain the land selection process and to provide a
chronological series of events from the beginning of the process to the selection of their property.
Ron Ceminsky responded by saying that the 7.8 million dollar referendum passed in 1997 which
included community park land acquisition and the development of approximately 100 acres. Twenty
(20) + landowners were contacted for consideration; some suitable and some unsuitable. There were
only two or three parcels that were suitable for development out of all the land that was identified. A
listing was provided showing the property owners that were contacted, their responses, and suitability of
each for this purpose.
Paul Hokeness then filled in some history. This land search was started well over a year ago with Edina
Realty assisting. Originally the Menden property wasn't on the list of locations that Edina Realty had
sent out letters or talked to because the county plat map looked as though the Menden property was
owned by 8-10 different land owners. It was felt that it would be difficult to deal with that many land
owners. At that point there were discussions with the various landowners; some not very interested,
some holding out for better offers. This was a very frustrating search as it was hard to find 80-100 acres
of suitable land. In order to keep development costs to a minimum but keep all sports at one complex
rather than splitting them up. Parking, lights, utilities, concessions would go up considerably if the
com...plex was split up. The Spring Lake Regional Park was mentioned but after discussions with them
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we knew that there too many boards to work with, and the Administrator from Hennepin County
indicated that it was just not doable. Also, another problem with the county land was that there is a road
running through it and wetlands in the middle of the property. There are a lot of difficulties with
developing the county park besides the fact that Hennepin Parks was not interested and told us no at that
time. It was at that time, February 2, 1998, that the land planners asked who owned the property next to
Spring Lake Park which was the Menden property. This was the first time that Paul spoke with Rob
Menden. The appraisal was authorized and discussions continued.
Bonnie Menden stated that the Bylaws of the Parks Advisory Committee states that the committee
represents of the citizens of Prior Lake. She felt strongly that this has not been the situation and that the
citizens of Prior Lake are in strong support of the Menden family.
Pat Heaney respectfully disagreed.
Sharon Walters indicated that most people in the community did not agree with the PAC.
Randy Walters indicated that he voted for the referendum and that he is in favor of the parks but would
not have voted "Yes" if he would have know that it meant condemnation for the Menden farm. He felt
that Prior Lake is growing south and east and that property should be looked at around County Road 82.
Ron Ceminsky stated that with growth of our community certain demands need to be meant. There are
very few large land parcels available in Prior Lake.
Bonnie Menden disagreed.
Ron said he would be happy to take names of property owners that would have land available.
Fritz Menden would like to know how the Parks Advisory Committee would explain to kids how the
property was acquired; that it was the last piece of property available and it was condemned. He felt that
other available property was overlooked. An area on the map of the comprehensive plan was circled
and in question.
Paul indicated that the circles on the comprehensive plan identified neighborhood park and trail areas
that would be considered when those areas were ready for development.
Steve Menden indicated that after some discussion with Paul Hokeness he wanted to know what type of
criteria was set in selection. Have we looked at transportation, population growth, accessibility, future
development and have we conducted a community survey. He asked how this selection could be
justified; if only with a gut feeling that doesn't cut it. He felt that the responses on the land search report
were not adequate. He wanted the committee to prove to him that their property meets all the criteria in
comparison to the other landowners mentioned on the report.
Ron said to keep in mind that the committee was talking to those landowners that were receptive to
selling their property. It was his understanding that by agreeing to the appraisal, that the Menden's
were interested in selling.
Pat Menden indicated that the City kept approaching Robert Menden.
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Robert Menden indicated that Paul Hokeness asked him once if he would be interested in selling his
property and he told him "no".
Bonnie Menden asked if it is necessary step in the condemnation process to ask for an appraisal.
Paul Hokeness appraisals are a necessary step in acquiring land by any method.
Ron Ceminsky said that the same procedure was followed with the Kop property before condemnation
was considered.
Bonnie asked how many years that the Kop farm has been considered. She knew it had been for years
and that they are not in the same category.
The group became emotional. Bonnie stated that the family was not interested in selling their property,
and reacted by asking other family members ifthey agreed with her.
Fritz Menden proceeded to explain how he acquired his piece of property from his Dad. He said his
Dads intention to sell 40+ acres of land in the back and he wanted to keep the front for himself. At this
time a plat map of the land area was looked at. The Parks Advisory Committee should not have
assumed that the land was being divided for sale to anyone outside of family members.
Ron asked what Fritz's plans were when the land was subdivided. Fritz indicated that it was done to
keep the property in the family. He said he had discussions with his Dad at time of the subdivision (10+
years ago) and his Dad asked ifhe would keep it in the family, and Fritz indicated that he would.
Dave Menden spoke regarding the appraisal process.
Sharon Walters said that she was present once when Paul came to see Rob. Rob did not want to talk to
Paul but she indicated that Paul persisted until Rob did finally talk to him.
Paul said that he was there to try to set up a meeting with the rest of the family members to discuss this
matter and that was the only reason he was there.
Rob Menden asked what we thought "No Response" meant.
Paul Hokeness indicated that there was some criteria drawn up. The land planner had indicated that the
Menden property was a beautiful piece of property, surrounded by lake, trees and wide open area and a
good piece of land to develop. This aroused some interest, so Paul brought the information back to the
P.A.C. and indicated that an appraisal would be done and perhaps assumptions were wrong because of
the friendliness shown by Rob to Paul when he okayed an appraisal, and that he would try to get a
family meeting together. Paul was under a lot of time constraints which was the reason for his
persistence. Paul apologized for that. Many voice mail messages were left with no further response.
Ron said that the committee felt this was great because the Menden property tied in perfectly with the
Spring Lake Regional Park.
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Randy Walters asked if the Menden property was the only property that an appraisal was done on.
Paul indicated that it was the only one. Paul proceeded to explain his method in talking with various
landowners. He spoke to representatives from Shakopee and they were not real receptive in letting go of
80+ acres of Shakopee land to develop a Prior Lake Park. The Menden property and the Q'Loughlin
property were really the only two pieces of property that really meant all of the criteria; open flat land
and in Prior Lake.
Someone asked about the Berens property, but Paul indicated that he was not interested. Also the terrain
would be hard to develop.
Dave Menden asked about the Jeffers property.
Paul stated that Bob Jeffers intentions (as presented by his executor/attorney) were to preserve a portion
of the property to develop an environmental learning center and Senior Citizens housing complex and to
leave the rest in its natural state
Ron Ceminsky asked if the family members would like to designate one family member to help locate
suitable land. The Committee would be open to any suggestions. He indicated that Committee was
willing to work with the Menden family.
Dave Menden felt that good research was not done. He asked if the park would have to be located in
Prior Lake. He asked why committee didn't investigate possibility of purchasing property in Highway
13 & County Road 282 area where he felt there was a lot of open land available that could be purchased
at a reasonable price.
Ron Ceminsky questioned the feelings of Prior Lake residents if property was purchased outside of Prior
Lake. He felt that a consensus of citizen input would have to be taken.
Sharon Walters felt that their farm area would be too dangerous to send children down to the park on
their bikes.
Bonnie Menden said that she felt that park would not be easily found.
Randy Walters asked what could be done to change the Parks Advisory Committee and City Council
minds.
Ron Ceminsky once again stated that he would like to see the Menden family members would work with
the committee to find necessary land.
Bonnie Menden asked if each of the Parks Advisory Committee members had looked at the different
parcels available on the list.
The Parks Advisory Committee members stated that they had not all personally driven to each site.
Steve Menden said that he knew of three possible sites and pointed those out to the committee. He
indicated that the main reason we are present was "Communication vs Condemnation". He felt that the
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City of Prior Lake did not justify everything that was done prior to condemnation and asked P.A.c.
ll1ell1bers if they agreed.
Ron Ceminsky asked the Menden's what suggestions they would have for the committee.
Steve Menden asked why the family wasn't verbally contacted.
Ron Ceminsky responded by saying that was an action taken by the City Council and that the P.A.C.
was not involved in that.
Dave Menden stated that he felt that no moral or ethics were involved in the process and asked P.A.C.
members how they felt if they were put in the same situation. He was amazed at the process taken. He
said that referendum did not state that acquisition of park property stipulate action of condemnation.
At this time the group got very emotional and Ron asked everyone to calm down.
Dave Menden indicated that there probably would be a substantial cost difference between their property
and property outside of Prior Lake.
Ron once again stated that he wasn't sure how Prior Lake residents would feel about acquisition of land
outside of Prior Lake.
Randy Walters indicated he would do everything necessary to see that the Menden property stays in the
Menden family.
It was mentioned that voter turnout was low; however, Ron indicated that the City has no control over
who comes to the poles. The percentage of voters that came is what determined the passage of the
referendum; everything else was irrelevant. There was some discussion.
Tom Reddinger, member of the Parks Advisory Committee and president ofP.L.A.Y. apologized for the
controversy and hurt feelings that the Menden family has and that it was not the P.A.C.'s intention to
"take" their farm. He felt that if the dialogue had been better perhaps things could have been resolved
differently. As president of P.L.A.Y he is very much aware of the needs of athletic fields, and
desperately would like to see that development take place in Prior Lake but not at the expense of the
Menden's or the Kops. The P.A.C. members are all volunteers; not professional real estate people and
do the best they can based on materials presented. He didn't personally visit a lot of the properties but
based his decisions that the aerial photographs that showed that a lot of the land was not good for an
athletic complex. The Menden property was the last piece looked at. His question to the Menden family
was that, setting differences aside, is there a possibility that a portion of the property could be kept in the
family and a portion would go to park development.
Rob Menden answered with a "No".
At this time Bob Rykken introduced himself as a P.A. C. member and resident of Prior Lake since 1991.
When he moved into the area he felt that parks were needed and joined the P.A.C. to improve the
situation. He stated that his mission was to see a referendum implemented. He felt bad at how the
situation has developed and wished that the Menden's wanted to sell, or he wished that we could find
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another piece of property but he's not aware of another piece of property available that will be suitable.
He feels its' important to the kids to have these facilities available.
Pritz Menden said that he respected the idea to buy parks but condemnation was not a good process.
Pat Heaney introduced himself as a P.A.C. member since 1989, one of the original members. He
indicated that the land search has been going on for years and feels that the committee has done their
homework. He said that each step of the referendum has been fighting, contradictions, exaggerations,
gross misinterpretations. Land acquisition was a tough decision. Condemnation is not a good thing but
after talking to other council members from other communities sometimes its' only answer. He knew
that Fritz really loved his land when he spoke at the City Council meeting but asked Fritz how he would
feel about selling his land in five years. He had heard from other people in the community that the issue
was about money. Would this be the case in the future; would Pritz be willing to sell his land if he was
offered two or three million.
Pritz responded by saying No that he was not willing to sell at any price.
Pat continued by saying that we still need land desperately for field expansion, and being a coach, kids
will be turned away from sports because of the shortage of fields. He stated that he is very upset that
"We're bad - you're good". Pat also explained that the land acquisition and search did not happen
overnight.
Thea Pluhrer introduced herself as a P.A.C. member and indicated that she wanted to be a member of the
committee because she has a passion for park development and each member has their own special
interest areas. She feels for the situation and would like to resolve it in a nicer way and would welcome
any suggestions.
Kevin Menden stated that other farmers are afraid of condemnation and felt that if they came forward
showing some interest that they would be nailed right away.
Thea Fluhrer indicated that the land acquisition question has been discussed for a long time
Ron Ceminsky said that the population has grown substantially, and understands where the family is
coming from based on his own personal family, but wished the family would not portray the P.A.C.
members as "evil individuals".
Bonnie Menden said that its been a living hell since August 17th.
Dave Menden once again stated that he felt it would not be a problem to go outside of city limits for land
acquisition.
Ron indicated that they couldn't assume that there wouldn't be any problems with land outside of Prior
Lake; he personally owns land outside of Prior Lake and transportation was a definite problem.
Bob Rykken stated that he would personally like to help work with the family to locate another property
and make recommendations to the City Council.
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Dave Menden said that he felt that Prior Lake will keep annexing and moving further south of town.
Larry Bueggeman stated that if a business is set up in the City there are certain procedures that are
required and he couldn't understand why the City is exempt from following these same procedures
whereby residents in the area are notified. The City seems to be going in the back door.
Rob Menden.asked how they could get on the City Council Agenda.
Dave Menden asked why Menden family members were not notified and asked to come to a P.A.C.
meeting.
Ron Ceminsky said that the committee owed the family an apology but that the P.A.C. meetings are held
monthly and are public meetings, and that the agendas are printed in the Prior Lake American. But he
felt someone should have had some indication that the property was being looked at.
Randy Walters said that the bottom line is that "the property is not for sale".
Ron Ceminsky indicated that at this time the P.A.C. can't do any more without further discussion with
the City Council and thanked them for coming..
Bonnie Menden would like to be allowed to get on the City Council agenda.
TOM REDDINGER MADE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. THEA FLUHRER
SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
The meeting was adjourned at 7:50 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Paul Hokeness
Parks & Recreation Director
Nancy McGill
Parks & Recreation Secretary
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Barry Stock
Prior Lake Resident - 39 years
Prior Lake HS Graduate
U ofM Graduate - BS
Mankato State Graduate - MA
Single father with 3 boys ages 11, 12 and 13.
Volunteer Positions
St. Pauls Lutheran Church - Executive Committee Board Member
Sunday School Teacher
Numerous other projects
Shako pee Chamber of Commerce - Board of Directors - 1987 - 1996
Vice President - 1994
President - 1995
Shako pee Derby Days Chairperson - 1986 - 1996
Dan Patch Days Committe Member - 1997 - present
ISD 719 - Variety of Referendum Committees
Most Recently - 1998 Financial Review Task Force
Scott Co. Econ. Dev. Coalition - Chairperson - 1987 - present
Prior Lake Soccer Club- Vice President - 1991 - 1994
President - 1995 - present
Employment Background
City of Prior Lake - Maint. And Parks Dept - Summers - 1975 - 1982
City of Shako pee - Asst. City Admin. - 1983 - 1996
Transit, Cable TV, Refuse Collection, Recycling, DT Redevelopment, Director of Econ.
Development, Planning, Park and Recreation, Building, Personnel Departments.
M~or PrQjects:
Implementation of City Transit Program Including Dial-A-Ride
Implementation of Combined Contracted RefuselRecycling Program
Creation and Implementation ofDT Redevelopment Plan
Project Administrator - City Hall Remodeling
Project Administrator - Community Center
Project Administraot - Municipal Pool Remodeling
City of Savage - Economic Development Director - 1997 - present
Downtown Redevelopment, Industrial Development, Economic Development
Major Projects:
Completion of Hamilton District Redevelopment Study
Marketplace at 42 Project
Project Administrator - Eagle Creek Business Park
Project Administrator - Liquor Store and #1 and #3 Construction
Fall ProQram 1m Sheet1 .tie I DH DIZ 1iH
Kindergarten 39 Kindergarten 61 71 61 68
1 st and 2nd 120 1st. 55 72 77 108
3rd and 4th Boys 64, 2nd and 3rd Boys 73 85 106 120
3rd and 4th Girls 42 2nd and 3rd Girls 36 54 68 77
5th and 6th Boys 42 4th, 5th and 6th Boys 59 77 76 86
5th and 6th Girls 32 4th, 5th and 6th Girls 74 82 96 81
Total Fall In-House 339 358 441 484 540
Fall Traveling
U10 Boys
U11 Boys
U12 Boys 15 16 16
U13 Boys 13 16
U13 Girls 17 14
U14 Boys 16 14
U14 Girts 15 16
Total Fall Travel 31 47 42 48
Total Fall Program 389 488 526 588
SprinQ ProQram
Kindergarten 71 55 48 51
1 st and 2nd 94 98 85 48
3rd and 4th Boys 39 50 36 56
3rd and 4th Girls 37 53 31 36
Total Spring In-House 241 256 200 191 296
U9 Boys 0 0 0 11
U9 Girls 0 0 0 7
U10 Boys 12 14 16 26
U10 Girls 12 15 6 9
U11 Boys 0 0 13 15
U11 Girls 0 0 15 21
U12 Boys 18! 35 18 16
U12 Girls 32 37 32 32
U13 Boys 0 0 16 17
U13 Girls 0 0 18 18
U14 Boys 31 31 0 12
U14 Girls 12 18 17 7
U15 Boys 0 0 13 6
U15 Girls 0 0 0 21
U16 Boys 15 15 14 13
U16 Girls 19 16 15 6
U17 Boys 0 15 16 3
U17 Girls 14 16 0 8
U18 Boys 0 0 0 0
U18 Girls 0 0 0 0
U19 Boys 18 0 0 11
U19 Girls 0 0 16 5
Total Spring Traveling 183 212 225 264 245
Total Spring Registration 424 468 425 455 541
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Soccer Facility Proposal Summary
Who: Alex Bunbury
Prior Lake Resident
International Soccer Player
Married - three children
Personal Profile - see attachment
What: Desire to work with the City of Prior Lake in ajoint public-private partnership to
establish a state of the art multi-purpose soccer facility. It is anticipated that the proposed
facility will include four to six outdoor fields, an indoor facility, office space and dorm
facilities. The estimated value of the buildings to be constructed would be in excess
of $1 ,000,000.
The intent of this proposal is to establish a positive partnership that will leverage both
public and private funds to construct a facility that will be of great value to the
community and our youth. The facility will also provide for an on-going operating
business venture for me and my family.
For discussion purposes, the basic tenns of our partnership might include the City
acquisition of a site large enough to accomodate our basic site development package.
A portion of the site would be acquired by Mr. Bunbury at a below market rate price
in exchange for the construction of certain facilities. (Le. office space, dorms, site
development costs) A subsequent operating agreement would then be drafted that would
clarify maintenance responsibities for the fields and a shared use schedule.
Where: In Prior Lake at a site to be selected by the City.
When: As soon as possible.
Why: To provide an ongoing business venture for me and my family.
To have the opportunity to work in my community and give something back to my
community.
To impart excellent training ideas, proper health habits, and a sense of fun and
accomplishment for youth interested in learning and participating in the
sport of soccer.
To create employment opportunites in the City of Prior Lake.
To attract soccer enthusiasts to the Prior Lake community who will in turn purchase
goods and services and enhance the overall business climate.
To increase the tax base of the community.
To establish a soccer training facility that will be second to none in the state of
Minnesota and the United States.
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